American Wildfires

xtsho

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^^This, I can agree with.

It's better if people don't try living in a desert but they have to live somewhere. I don't want all those bitchy Californians to come to Oregon. So, deal with it California.

Oh, and

Oregon's hazelnuts are better than your water hungry almonds.
You don't want them coming? They're already here. Most of the people that have moved to Portland in the last decade are Californians. And they brought their overpriced pretentious restaurants, high housing prices, and road rage driving with them. They're the ones paying $15 for 3 street tacos at some "see and be seen" establishment in the Pearl. Us natives hit up a taco truck and get better tacos for $1.50 a piece.

But I have nothing against Californians. Keep moving up here. It just increases the value of my home. I've seen small 2 bedroom bungalows that sold for $110,000 20 years ago selling for over $500,000. I keep up on that stuff.
 

mooray

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You don't want them coming? They're already here. Most of the people that have moved to Portland in the last decade are Californians. And they brought their overpriced pretentious restaurants, high housing prices, and road rage driving with them. They're the ones paying $15 for 3 street tacos at some "see and be seen" establishment in the Pearl. Us natives hit up a taco truck and get better tacos for $1.50 a piece.

But I have nothing against Californians. Keep moving up here. It just increases the value of my home. I've seen small 2 bedroom bungalows that sold for $110,000 20 years ago selling for over $500,000. I keep up on that stuff.
It's bay area money. They've been fucking things up for the rest of us just the same.
 

xtsho

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Where I live in the Willamette Valley, 60 years out, is projected to have the same climate as Redding. Ever been to Redding? Brown hills, scrubby trees and dry land. All of our green forests will be gone.

Portland will be something like Lincoln California:

The typical summer in Lincoln, California is 14.2°F (7.9°C) warmer and 88.2% drier than summer in Portland.

All of Oregon's forests will burn and they eventually will shift to drier ecosystems. They have to. The climate is changing. There isn't going to be enough water to sustain the temperate rain forests of the Oregon coastal range or the drier forests inland.

California is fucked. Southern CA's climate will be more like Baja is today. Cactus and shit. Forget the almonds, that's crazy.
Well I'm going to be dead by then. Even so, I still all I can do myself to save water and protect the environment. The little things I do will make absolutely no difference but I feel better knowing I'm doing something. If everyone took things more seriously and did the same it would make a difference. Greed and short term gains will prevent any major changes that would address some of the challenges we're facing.
 

Fogdog

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It's bay area money. They've been fucking things up for the rest of us just the same.
Southern California, with its reliance on low wage, low growth industries would be like Mississippi if it weren't for the rest of the state saving its ass. LA and San Diego are cancers on the west coast. LOL at you guys sucking wind and then blaming the more prosperous north for your condition.
 

Fogdog

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Well I'm going to be dead by then. Even so, I still all I can do myself to save water and protect the environment. The little things I do will make absolutely no difference but I feel better knowing I'm doing something. If everyone took things more seriously and did the same it would make a difference. Greed and short term gains will prevent any major changes that would address some of the challenges we're facing.
I think you guys were closer to the mark when discussing corporations as the main source of this problem.
 

Fogdog

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I'm in the north and have benefitted from the bay area people throwing their money around, but that doesn't mean I think it's good for the state to become economically elitist. You didn't know this because you're a bitter old dipshit making oddly confident assumptions based on very little information, which you do all the time and it makes you about as wise and palatable as a used dildo sandwich.
I never said you were from SoCal, so don't get your panties all bunched up. It's just that the problems in California are due to its sprawl, best represented by Los Angeles and San Diego. The Bay Area is dealing with growth pains due to a historically unique economic expansion. Totally agree that CA's corporate ag is probably its largest obstacle to handling the dwindling water supply in that state. And almonds.

For a guy, you talk a lot about dildos. lulz Maybe you should talk to a doctor about getting a vagina so that you don't wear out that other orifice.
 

mooray

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My "panties are bunched up" because you're always following me around like a drunk chick trying to smash your tonsils on my tip. I don't go following you around. Just leave me alone, ya old Idaho tweeker.
 

Fogdog

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My "panties are bunched up" because you're always following me around like a drunk chick trying to smash your tonsils on my tip. I don't go following you around. Just leave me alone, ya old Idaho tweeker.
Just saying, the Bay Area is the economic engine for the entire West Coast. Southern CA is an economic drag. I don't know why my saying so gets you panties all bunched up but there you are.

Now then, about your obsession with dildos. Do you like the kind of dildo that buzzes or are you just into butt plugs?
 

topcat

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Some interests in California have been trying to build an aqueduct from the Columbia River through Oregon so they can waste even more water on golf courses and almonds. It takes close to 1900 gallons of water to produce just a pound of almonds and the majority are exported. We're not just exporting almonds we're exporting water as well because it's our water being used to grow them and only a few profit from the export. It's a terrible waste of water.

Crops that are grown and consumed in the US definitely need to be irrigated. But with the drought it makes no sense to be watering a crop destined for export that benefits so few. Same thing with golf courses. Let that damn grass go brown. It was a stupid idea to build hundreds of golf courses across the Southwest to begin with.
Right. Golf Courses in Palm Springs. Then, there are all those in Arizona, the Phoenix area, in particular, that cater to a small fraction of the populace.
Golf courses! Just think of it, fucking golf courses! Just a damn playground sucking water.
 
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topcat

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Where I live in the Willamette Valley, 60 years out, is projected to have the same climate as Redding. Ever been to Redding? Brown hills, scrubby trees and dry land. All of our green forests will be gone.

Portland will be something like Lincoln California:

The typical summer in Lincoln, California is 14.2°F (7.9°C) warmer and 88.2% drier than summer in Portland.

All of Oregon's forests will burn and they eventually will shift to drier ecosystems. They have to. The climate is changing. There isn't going to be enough water to sustain the temperate rain forests of the Oregon coastal range or the drier forests inland.

California is fucked. Southern CA's climate will be more like Baja is today. Cactus and shit. Forget the almonds, that's crazy.
I've been through Redding too many times on my way to McCloud. My solace is to play Who's Next, Poco, and Little Feat at high volume through that bleak setting of the Central Valley.
You're not alone in you're disgust of relocated Californians. Check out Arizona. Many bemoan the influx of Californians, and where do they hail from? California, naturally. Kind of like "this is my secret, you stay out." I'd like to see about 20 million leave the state, all golfers.
 

hanimmal

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I've been through Redding too many times on my way to McCloud. My solace is to play Who's Next, Poco, and Little Feat at high volume through that bleak setting of the Central Valley.
You're not alone in you're disgust of relocated Californians. Check out Arizona. Many bemoan the influx of Californians, and where do they hail from? California, naturally. Kind of like "this is my secret, you stay out." I'd like to see about 20 million leave the state, all golfers.
Or force them to pay for ocean water to be piped in and cleaned for local use.
 

Funkentelechy

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Southern California is a huge drain on water resources, it's not sustainable and it's a very real problem that needs to be addressed going forward. We need to stop building in places that don't have enough water or other basic resources and then just pipe water in from somewhere else, that's not a solution. Also, people need to reduce their consumption of beef and almonds.
I live at the top of a watershed that feeds into the Sacramento River, a significant percentage of this water is redirected to Southern California and to almond crops, it has a huge direct impact. They are now loading salmon from where they are born into trucks and driving them all the way to the ocean because they don't feel there is enough water flow for them to survive the journey. And yet no one is talking about reducing the flow of water that goes from this watershed straight to Southern California or onto the almond fields. It's corporate greed, I don't blame the people of SoCal but I do think that change has to start with their awareness.

But, for the Oregonians in the room try to remember that it's a big state and we are not all the same. Northern California pays a far greater price for the urban sprawl of Southern California than Oregon does but gets grouped into the same conversation for some reason.
It's a little like saying all Oregonians are rightwing nuts based on the knowledge of the standoff at the malheur national wildlife refuge. Like all places, there are some good folks and some not-so-good folks.

We're not all trying to move to Oregon, I love where I live, personally, I've never wanted anything from Oregon other than mutual respect.
 

hanimmal

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Desalinization has a significant environmental cost, but I applaud you for thinking outside of the box.
Outside of the salt?

There has to be some areas we could do a couple salt lakes like there are in Utah somewhere in the desert on the way to transporting the water to middle America. I would also think there would be a way to make the process of cleaning it much longer and less energy use. But again I am just bro sinking it, just would love a really good answer to why I am wrong.
 

mooray

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Southern California is a huge drain on water resources, it's not sustainable and it's a very real problem that needs to be addressed going forward. We need to stop building in places that don't have enough water or other basic resources and then just pipe water in from somewhere else, that's not a solution. Also, people need to reduce their consumption of beef and almonds.
I live at the top of a watershed that feeds into the Sacramento River, a significant percentage of this water is redirected to Southern California and to almond crops, it has a huge direct impact. They are now loading salmon from where they are born into trucks and driving them all the way to the ocean because they don't feel there is enough water flow for them to survive the journey. And yet no one is talking about reducing the flow of water that goes from this watershed straight to Southern California or onto the almond fields. It's corporate greed, I don't blame the people of SoCal but I do think that change has to start with their awareness.

But, for the Oregonians in the room try to remember that it's a big state and we are not all the same. Northern California pays a far greater price for the urban sprawl of Southern California than Oregon does but gets grouped into the same conversation for some reason.
It's a little like saying all Oregonians are rightwing nuts based on the knowledge of the standoff at the malheur national wildlife refuge. Like all places, there are some good folks and some not-so-good folks.

We're not all trying to move to Oregon, I love where I live, personally, I've never wanted anything from Oregon other than mutual respect.
And along those lines, it's not like there's something magical about borders. Those of us within California suffer the same problems that other states do when Californians ruin the economics of their area. It's not an issue that only exists relative to the invisible lines on the ground between states. It's basically gentrification, which happens in much smaller regions than by an entire state, and continues to spread beyond the state, affecting everyone in its path.
 

Fogdog

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If you want to talk, I'll talk, but if you start every reply with a troll "LOL at you guys sucking wind and then blaming the more prosperous north for your condition ", it's like...you managed four of five obnoxious trolls in that short sentence, which...you know, well done for your trolling condensation, but if that's how you want to talk, then you can go fuck your-idiot-self.
mooray, mooray

You don't talk you bloviate. I keep telling you that you should stay silent and only look dumb. I'm pretty sure you will get all angry in your moronic way and say that I'm trolling but I'm not. I'm accurately characterizing your posts.
 

mooray

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Okay, so you have no interest in talking, only trolling me because you're bored or whatever. Super cool.
 

Fogdog

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Outside of the salt?

There has to be some areas we could do a couple salt lakes like there are in Utah somewhere in the desert on the way to transporting the water to middle America. I would also think there would be a way to make the process of cleaning it much longer and less energy use. But again I am just bro sinking it, just would love a really good answer to why I am wrong.
not the salt. It's the energy used to desalinate. Right now, that energy is tied to carbon emissions that we need to cut, not find new ways to generate more carbon.
 
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