America Wastes $22 Trillion In War On Poverty

abandonconflict said:

I'll give you a hint, it doesn't mean you can buy what ever you want or that you don't have to buy what you don't want. Nor does socialism mean the reverse.

I don't know if you are aware, but for a few centuries there have been a bunch of smart people who have inscribed the definitions of many words into bound tomes known as ... wait for it ... Dictionaries.

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You truly are an idiot.

If the government takes your labor and forces you to buy a product whether you want or need it or not, that is NOT capitalism..

Sitting around trying to get the government to confiscate more of other people's labor makes you a tiny little man.

abandonconflict said:

There again is this false dichotomy, free market vs socialized. Privatization is not synonymous with free market.

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Maybe the voices in your head are telling you what I mean instead of what I typed?

I'm bitching because we don't have a free market, you are telling me privatization is not the free market therefore it's a false dichotomy. Why? What do you think I meant by we don't have a free market for medicine?

ginwilly said:

Maybe the voices in your head are telling you what I mean instead of what I typed?

I'm bitching because we don't have a free market, you are telling me privatization is not the free market therefore it's a false dichotomy. Why? What do you think I meant by we don't have a free market for medicine?

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You're saying it's either free market or socialism, at least that is what I got from your post.

Free market is not synonymous with privatization, but socialism and privatization ARE antonymous. You, like the guy who just got all butt hurt and called me an idiot, are asserting that a free market is the only thing that can be called capitalism and this is simply false. Words like cronyism and corporatism are handy but the fact is, the system is privatized and therefore it IS capitalism.

abandonconflict said:

You're saying it's either free market or socialism, at least that is what I got from your post.

Free market is not synonymous with privatization, but socialism and privatization ARE antonymous. You, like the guy who just got all butt hurt and called me an idiot, are asserting that a free market is the only thing that can be called capitalism and this is simply false. Words like cronyism and corporatism are handy but the fact is, the system is privatized and therefore it IS capitalism.

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ginwilly said:

Yep, through government intervention, coercion and cronyism. It's actually the worst of both worlds. You left out the fact that hospital corporations also make out like bandits. Our health care is not free market and it's not completely socialized. It's the worst possible solution for bringing down costs.

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Read it again, it's exactly the opposite of what the voices told you I typed.

I'm too tired to do this with you again. We have a mixed market.

If you want to claim I am saying else, I'll let you have it. I've gone down this road with you too many times.

ginwilly said:

Read it again, it's exactly the opposite of what the voices told you I typed.

I'm too tired to do this with you again. We have a mixed market.

If you want to claim I am saying else, I'll let you have it. I've gone down this road with you too many times.

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"Our health care is not free market and it's not completely socialized"

I didn't misunderstand you at all. It is not at all socialized. It's not even a tiny bit socialized. It is 100% privatized. There is not a single fucking iota of socialism in it. It is capitalism.

Shut the fuck up Donny.

abandonconflict said:

"Our health care is not free market and it's not completely socialized"

I didn't misunderstand you at all. It is not at all socialized. It's not even a tiny bit socialized. It is 100% privatized. There is not a single fucking iota of socialism in it. It is capitalism.

Shut the fuck up Donny.

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Medicare, Medicaid, exchange subsidies, certificates of need, the VA... should I go on?

Man, when you step on your dick, you never seem to step off. You just keep jumping up and down.

ginwilly said:

Medicare, Medicaid, exchange subsidies, certificates of need, the VA... should I go on?

Man, when you step on your dick, you never seem to step off. You just keep jumping up and down.

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So I did understand your post correctly, and it wasn't just the voices in my head...


So now that it went from me hearing voices to me actually calling it exactly like it was, you want to shift a bit and call our healthcare system socialist. The VA, yeah that is gov't run, gov't owned hospitals gov't paid doctors, and gov't provided medicine (not gov't made) and yes, nationalization is certainly a form of socialism. However, VA is not "our healthcare" as you put it. It's for former gov't employees, with medical issues stemming from gov't employment, and I might add that there are some people trying to privatize it.

Medicaid and medicare, while federally funded, are still sourced to private insurance and private hospitals. That's capitalism sweet heart.

*edit* they are not fully federally funded.

abandonconflict said:

"Our health care is not free market and it's not completely socialized"

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you quoted me saying this just two posts up

abandonconflict said:

you want to shift a bit and call our healthcare system socialist.

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Then you say this ^

keep jumping on that dick man

You also ignored state, county and university hospitals in your rant that not one iota of socialism exists in our healthcare system, while pretending medicare/caid the VA are not forms of socialized medicine.

No, I said VA is socialist, but it isn't "our healthcare". It's only for veterans with disabilities connected to service. You know, for a guy who claims that I misunderstood you because I'm hearing voices, you sure suck at reading. Maybe your privatized healthcare is to blame.

UncleBuck said:

yep, 78 year old grandma whose social security check keeps her out of poverty thanks to the was on poverty would just go get a job.

go follow some hispanics around the grocery store.

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Go have another beer, you know goddamn well we aren't talking about 78 year old grandmothers here. We are talking about your beloved welfare rats and you know it, jewbastard !

abandonconflict said:

No, I said VA is socialist, but it isn't "our healthcare". It's only for veterans with disabilities connected to service. You know, for a guy who claims that I misunderstood you because I'm hearing voices, you sure suck at reading. Maybe your privatized healthcare is to blame.

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I thought you were a veteran? You don't have to be disabled to use it. All you have to do is serve at some point. That's not exactly just a handful of people.

Medicare, medicaid, SSID and county hospitals, why do you keep ignoring the existence of that? Our healthcare is not completely privatized either is it? Say it with me, we have a mixed healthcare system.

Wow, welcome back man.

abandonconflict said:

"Our health care is not free market and it's not completely socialized"

I didn't misunderstand you at all. It is not at all socialized. It's not even a tiny bit socialized. It is 100% privatized. There is not a single fucking iota of socialism in it. It is capitalism.

Shut the fuck up Donny.

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If the people that work in healthcare are regulated via government licensure etc. how is it 100% privatized ?

Rob Roy said:

If the people that work in healthcare are regulated via government licensure etc. how is it 100% privatized ?

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profit is privatized

ginwilly said:

I thought you were a veteran? You don't have to be disabled to use it. All you have to do is serve at some point. That's not exactly just a handful of people.

Medicare, medicaid, SSID and county hospitals, why do you keep ignoring the existence of that? Our healthcare is not completely privatized either is it? Say it with me, we have a mixed healthcare system.

Wow, welcome back man.

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I am a veteran, you do need to be a service connected disabled veteran in order to get free coverage at the VA and I don't ignore those, they are privatized.

abandonconflict said:

I am a veteran, you do need to be a service connected disabled veteran in order to get free coverage at the VA and I don't ignore those, they are privatized.

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Again... NO

You had to have received an honorable discharge is all to use the VA system. Who told you it had to be a service connected disability?

County hospitals are privatized? The ones that have been are, get this, no longer a county hospital are they?

greenlikemoney said:

Go have another beer, you know goddamn well we aren't talking about 78 year old grandmothers here. We are talking about your beloved welfare rats and you know it, jewbastard !

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yeah because there are so many of those

That's really all I see, people who abuse the system so well that they get welfare and buy plasma TVs and extol socialism. You must love your job so much, since you're not a welfare rat.

abandonconflict said:

yeah because there are so many of those

That's really all I see, people who abuse the system so well that they get welfare and buy plasma TVs and extol socialism. You must love your job so much, since you're not a welfare rat.

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So many of what? Beers? 78 year old Grandmothers? Welfare rats?

I love my job, I couldn't begin to imagine a more fulfilling occupation.

ginwilly said:

Again... NO

You had to have received an honorable discharge is all to use the VA system. Who told you it had to be a service connected disability?

County hospitals are privatized? The ones that have been are, get this, no longer a county hospital are they?

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Why don't you go to a VA hospital and find out yourself?

You are trying so hard to call the healthcare system socialism so as to absolve your holy capitalism. You are pointing to the VA which is socialistic and happens to be far superior to what is available to everyone else. The part of the system you are trying not to mention, which is the part republicans cry about the most is PPACA and you desperately want to cll it socialism and by extension to call Obama a socialist. You are being forced to purchase something from a private company. That's not socialism. Medicare and Medicaid were simply expanded to include more people, that's all PPACA really is. It's capitalism.

greenlikemoney said:

So many of what? Beers? 78 year old Grandmothers? Welfare rats?

I love my job, I couldn't begin to imagine a more fulfilling occupation.

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Then why do you bitch about people who don't work? You work because you love it, not because you have to.

abandonconflict said:

Then why do you bitch about people who don't work? You work because you love it, not because you have to.

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If they don't want to work, then don't work. But don't expect the rest of the hard working people in this country to support your lazy ass.