am i missing anything? (nutes)
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reggaerican
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@ about week 3 start up with the bloom juice, some start with bloom sooner even.. however with the good soil you dont need much
reggaerican
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Ok! good you should be fine man..
your gonna keep this thread going right? i sure would like to see more pics as they grow
your gonna keep this thread going right? i sure would like to see more pics as they grow
Nullis
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Regular CalMag should be fine, just not CalMag+ due to the synthetic chelating agent EDTA as listed on the bottle. What chelates do is make the mineral more available to the plant, essentially forcing its assimilation by the roots. Humic and fulvic acids are organic chelates and they are present in Pure Blend Pro.
The effect of using a single EDTA-containing product at low doses is probably minimal; but ideally you wouldn't want to if your goal is to create the most hospital environment for beneficial microbial populations and you also use products that contain such microbes. You can use CalMag original (they also have dry CalMag if I am not mistaken), or various alternatives including just adding more dolomite lime to your soil mix and/or fertigation solution. Botanicare also has an OMRI line of nutrients that includes two products that could be used instead of CalMag. Huvega is a magnesium formula also containing other minerals, and Calplex is a calcium carbonate formula. Both are especially good for foliar application.
The effect of using a single EDTA-containing product at low doses is probably minimal; but ideally you wouldn't want to if your goal is to create the most hospital environment for beneficial microbial populations and you also use products that contain such microbes. You can use CalMag original (they also have dry CalMag if I am not mistaken), or various alternatives including just adding more dolomite lime to your soil mix and/or fertigation solution. Botanicare also has an OMRI line of nutrients that includes two products that could be used instead of CalMag. Huvega is a magnesium formula also containing other minerals, and Calplex is a calcium carbonate formula. Both are especially good for foliar application.
Matt Rize
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WORD, I really like the calplex/huvega combo for cal/mag. huvega has fulvic acid in it too, i think. BOOM.
Nullis
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They used to call it Fulvex, and it was my understanding at the time that it did contain fulvic acids but as they have changed the name of the product to Huvega it kind of lacks that implication now. Still just says "derived from magnesium sulfate", but we all know there is more to it than that.
I have no doubt that they would divulge a little additional info to those who ask, but it would be nice to see all of it on the label or even on their website. In general it is a pain in the ass to determine exactly what makes up a nutrient or supplement, just because something is listed as a 'magnesium formula' doesn't mean it lacks others elements or minerals. It seems like the only ones graced with such information, besides the manufacturers, are the distributors and retail outlets that carry the products and let's just say they don't always relay it correctly.
I have no doubt that they would divulge a little additional info to those who ask, but it would be nice to see all of it on the label or even on their website. In general it is a pain in the ass to determine exactly what makes up a nutrient or supplement, just because something is listed as a 'magnesium formula' doesn't mean it lacks others elements or minerals. It seems like the only ones graced with such information, besides the manufacturers, are the distributors and retail outlets that carry the products and let's just say they don't always relay it correctly.
The information is there, just sometimes difficult to ferret out.
The best place is a state agriculture dept. If it's sold, a detailed ingredient list must be on file with the state. Here's one:
http://agr.wa.gov
Takes a little searching, either by name of the product or the company it's registered to, but you will get a detailed analysis.
Did a search for a friend for Bushmaster since it's ~$30 for a 8oz bottle. Found out it's nothing more than 0.1 (1/10 of 1%) Phosphoric acid! Pretty expensive for something that is 99.9% water! Their Gravity is exactly the same ingredient/formulation.
Much cheaper to use some pH down that uses phosphoric acid as a base and dilute it down, if you want to go that route.
Amazing how pretty labels and slick ad copy along with little information can separate inexperienced growers from lots of $$$$$$$
Wet
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Again, AGREED. I just want the real content of the bottle. Do they bury the info to scam us, or to keep the content secret? Or some of both?
Both
Keeping the content secret or buried helps the scam to work, is necessary for the scam to work.
Just like that "derived from magnesium sulfate" mentioned above. Guess they don't want to mention that Epsom Salts and magnesium sulfate are one and the same thing.
But, they want you to buy ? Huvega? at whatever price, not a $3 package of Epsom Salts at Walgreens.
Wet
Nullis
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I actually might not trust the $3 carton of epsom salts from Walgreens (although I've used it in the past, foliarly). I would be concerned about applying it to soil for one thing, and I do prefer using products that are intended for horticultural use.
What I mean more specifically is that although it says "Derived from magnesium sulfate" (or whatever), there must be more to the manufacturing process and a more complex mixture of minerals than just magnesium sulfate from epsom salt inside that bottle. Of course, I understand that they have to protect certain information such as the blend of source materials used and any proprietary processes behind it all or risk opening the door to imitation products. Luckily American Agritech does provide an informative brochure about their Organicare line on their website, but you'd only know if you looked and even I almost didn't even notice the link to the brochure.
The Calplex product appears to be simply calcium carbonate, not overpriced in my opinion and they don't try to glorify it as being anything more.
http://www.americanagritech.com/sites/default/files/brochures/OrganicareBrochure_1.pdf
What I mean more specifically is that although it says "Derived from magnesium sulfate" (or whatever), there must be more to the manufacturing process and a more complex mixture of minerals than just magnesium sulfate from epsom salt inside that bottle. Of course, I understand that they have to protect certain information such as the blend of source materials used and any proprietary processes behind it all or risk opening the door to imitation products. Luckily American Agritech does provide an informative brochure about their Organicare line on their website, but you'd only know if you looked and even I almost didn't even notice the link to the brochure.
Whereas the product label only says "may be beneficial when used as a seedling solution, can be used in conjunction with chemical or organic nutrient solutions, ideal for use with leafy plants, vegetables and fruits". In the case of Botanicare, it is almost as if they actually over-simplify the purpose or mechanism of [some of] their products on the label.
The Calplex product appears to be simply calcium carbonate, not overpriced in my opinion and they don't try to glorify it as being anything more.
http://www.americanagritech.com/sites/default/files/brochures/OrganicareBrochure_1.pdf