Sparkticus
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Solar doesn;t cost 20,000 to get. I mean some systems may but those are huge. The average home solar system ranges from 3-7 grand.
Alternatives to Fossil Fuels....?
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jimmer6577
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My 20,000 was to also do the heating in my area. You can buy it 4 3-7k but that doesn't include installs either. The average person isn't going to install the system themselves. Then you have boilers and plumbing for heating because you're not going to heat with solar PV here. Evacuated Tupe collectors, pumps, Storage tanks, I could go on but won't. You can get the solar panels for 3-7 k depending on quality, but thats only a small part in the whole picture. No need for any more discussion on my end. $20,000 is reasonable to make a house 75% self efficient not just electric.
Sparkticus
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Hey I agree, but in some instances you can supplement. I have one connected to my water heater/ac...didn't cost me much at all and saves me a ton. Installed 5 grand. Takes away the two biggest expenses as far as my electric is concerned. It doesn't have to be so expensive is all, there are options.
I agree with that, however, the limp-wristed socialist nanny state twats can't do shit without the approval of the so called "conservative" segment of our government. Nor can the "conservatives" do shit without the approval of the pole smokers.
It's not about lib vs. conservative, though that's what THEY want people to think, it's about the everyday citizen trying to live their life in peace vs. the corrupt political party system selling us out to the highest bidder...be they conservative, liberal, corporate, Saudi, or Chinese.
As long as idiots keep believing "their" team is "right", this nation will continue to get fucked until there are no more resources to exploit and we look like any other third world shithole.
The party system needs to GO.
jimmer6577
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I totally agree with that.
heckler73
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It's called electrolysis, and the US Military has figured out a method to create hydrocarbons from seawater (via the CO2 solute).
Using an average of 6 kWh/m^2 per day in August,
http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/1961-1990/redbook/atlas/serve.cgi
then calculate area of contiguous US, 7,663,941.7 km2 = 7,663,941.7E6 m2
Multiply them and get ~4.6E13 kWh
That's a big fuckin' number!
What's annual electricity consumption in the US?
3.826E9 kWh (2012) expected to grow to ~4.9E9 kWh in 2040...
I guess it is theoretically possible, after all, with plenty of leftovers to spare!
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/MT_electric.cfm#cap_natgas?src=Electricity-b1
Now if we can just figure out where to put the trees and everything else....hmmm...and get that efficiency up past 50%...
Dr Kynes
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Sparkticus
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"I put hiding in quotes because what they actually do is BUY the patents and then stunt the research so it won't compete"... If you're going to quote it, quote the whole thing. YOU said they were "hiding". I explained it...twice.riiiight...
Dr Kynes
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and yet the technology is not stunted.
solar tech is way better than it was in the 80's, because it has been improved by the guys who you claim "hide" the technology, and the increases in oil prices, increased demand for "green" technology and irrational fears over global warming have made the technology profitable.
you may as well claim that buick, chrysler, plymouth, dodge, lincoln etc.. (all carriage manufacturers in the 1800's) "HID" automobile technology to preserve their buggy monopoly
Sparkticus
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Lol, way better than it was in the 80's? And how much has cell phone technology advanced in the same frame? The point is we could/should all have cheap solar energy. Should have had it 20 years ago. The technology exists and should be available but it isn't. We don't because they stunt it and keep it pricey. You believe whatever you want, sir. Again, this isn't a conspiracy theory. This is a common practice in business. The oil companies didn't create the technology, they bought it from someone who did...and slowed the progress.
Red1966
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Bio-energy does nothing to reduce co2 emissions. You're still burning carbon fuels.
Red1966
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Electricity is created by burning fuel. Your Prius runs on coal.
Red1966
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The constant rolling pressure consumes power.
Red1966
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It takes as much energy to separate the hydrogen and water as you get get from burning the hydrogen.
yktind
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So like ethanol? Takes as much or more energy than it actually creates.
killemsoftly
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You know Red, I'm creating a little red book full of your one-liners. Keep it up, you marvelous bastard. lol
Dr Kynes
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lol indeed
cell phone tech was brand spanking new in the 80's, just like the car when daimler and benz made their first horseless carriage in 1886, but the Ford Model T didnt turn cars into practical devices until 1913, some 27 years later
solar panels are far more complicated to manufacture, and thus progress is slower
even your precious cell phone is simple by comparison to the new thin film flexible solar cells.
you need a villain against whom you can vent your spleen, but there aint no villains in this drama
Rrog
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I was and am still referring to solar panels for the electricity generation...
Seems weird that such a wonderful topic is so full of animus.
Rrog
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lol. I hope someone here beside you is enjoying the droll sarcasm. wow
Dr Kynes
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the problem is the lefty "one size fits all" mentality, and the insistence that their way is best, with barely concealed disdain for those who CAN NOT use solar panels for their home power needs.
and the not at all concealed hatred for those who actually provide the materials and fuel that makes your comfortable lifestyle possible,
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