Alprazolam vs Lorazepam

alprazolam or lorazepam

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panhead

panhead

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The withdrawls from zanax are a kiddy ride compared to the life threanening withdrawls that can happen from using ativan , the come down can include grandmall seizures & when the seizing stops can leave you fuked for life , and im talking about after less than 60 days daily use , ive wittnessed it with one of my sons , when operation Iraq freedom was going down we lost a son & his older brother was loosing his mind with grief , severe panic attacks up the ass so the doctor put him on Ativan 0.5 my 1 to 3 x daily , at 1st he took 3 a day most days then as the panic attacks became less he took less until he only took 1 a week or so , he didnt have any attacks for about 10 days so he hadn't taken any & thats when shit hit the fan , luckily he was at home when it happened .

He was in our library which we use as a 2 channel stereo listening room when i heard a thump , after a few seconds i found him on the floor in complete sieze & was trying to swallow his tounge , after getting my wit's i dug his tounge out with a hair brush & put my leather wallet in his mouth for him to bite on , his eye's were rolled back in his , he was so sweaty he felt like a greased up fish & was feverishly hot , im a decent size guy at about 240 lbs & i couldnt hold his 110 lb body still, when paramedics & cop's arrived it took 6 big ass cop's to hold 1 arm long enough to get an injection of valium in him , after 3 injections he stopped siezing & went to hospital , he was in a propofol induced coma for 5 days & as soon as they started bringing him around he went directly back into grandmall siezures & they had to put him back under for another 3 days .

When they brought him out the 2nd time he didnt sieze but he did get violent so they restrained his hands , i didnt leave his side for 10 days & i watched how bad that shit fuked him up , he never took the drug again but two more times within a month of his release he went into full blown siezures & had to be put back in propofol coma's , the siezures caused so much muscle damage he had physical therapy for many months afterwards , i would reccomend going to youtube & watch the videos of ativan siezures before i ever took a single pill , ive personally been opiate dependant due to medical issues over 20 yrs where i take 2 80 my Oxycontin & 100 mg Nuycnta ( synthetic opiate ) with my morning coffee & a whole list of other heavy shit for when the pain gets unbearable , Even with my extreme tollerance that Ativan shit scares the hell out of me because the siezures can stay with some people for their entire lives & you dont need to become a junkie 1st either , even short term use like my son's use can fuk you up .

Chose Zanax instead
 
canndo

canndo

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panhead said:
The withdrawls from zanax are a kiddy ride compared to the life threanening withdrawls that can happen from using ativan , the come down can include grandmall seizures & when the seizing stops can leave you fuked for life , and im talking about after less than 60 days daily use , ive wittnessed it with one of my sons , when operation Iraq freedom was going down we lost a son & his older brother was loosing his mind with grief , severe panic attacks up the ass so the doctor put him on Ativan 0.5 my 1 to 3 x daily , at 1st he took 3 a day most days then as the panic attacks became less he took less until he only took 1 a week or so , he didnt have any attacks for about 10 days so he hadn't taken any & thats when shit hit the fan , luckily he was at home when it happened .

He was in our library which we use as a 2 channel stereo listening room when i heard a thump , after a few seconds i found him on the floor in complete sieze & was trying to swallow his tounge , after getting my wit's i dug his tounge out with a hair brush & put my leather wallet in his mouth for him to bite on , his eye's were rolled back in his , he was so sweaty he felt like a greased up fish & was feverishly hot , im a decent size guy at about 240 lbs & i couldnt hold his 110 lb body still, when paramedics & cop's arrived it took 6 big ass cop's to hold 1 arm long enough to get an injection of valium in him , after 3 injections he stopped siezing & went to hospital , he was in a propofol induced coma for 5 days & as soon as they started bringing him around he went directly back into grandmall siezures & they had to put him back under for another 3 days .

When they brought him out the 2nd time he didnt sieze but he did get violent so they restrained his hands , i didnt leave his side for 10 days & i watched how bad that shit fuked him up , he never took the drug again but two more times within a month of his release he went into full blown siezures & had to be put back in propofol coma's , the siezures caused so much muscle damage he had physical therapy for many months afterwards , i would reccomend going to youtube & watch the videos of ativan siezures before i ever took a single pill , ive personally been opiate dependant due to medical issues over 20 yrs where i take 2 80 my Oxycontin & 100 mg Nuycnta ( synthetic opiate ) with my morning coffee & a whole list of other heavy shit for when the pain gets unbearable , Even with my extreme tollerance that Ativan shit scares the hell out of me because the siezures can stay with some people for their entire lives & you dont need to become a junkie 1st either , even short term use like my son's use can fuk you up .

Chose Zanax instead
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WRONG - this is bordering on bad advice.

Panhead, your son would have been just as likely to suffer the same problems had he been prescribed xanax or any of the other benzos - they all act on the same receptors and the same pathways. They have slightly differing effects and widely differning half lives. Xanax has a short half life and so, the onlly thing an addicted and convultion prone individual will notice differently is that he is subject to sezure earlier after his last dose than some of the others. Your son could have been weaned from his addiction by using valium which has a huge half life and levels out the amount of benos in his body.

to claim that one benzo is "safer" than the others because your son had bad experience with one is misrepresenting the problems with ongoing benzo use. A valium abuser may not see a problem for days after his last dose, and the symptoms may return days after he thinks they are gone. Xanax withdrawal happens quicker is all.
 
panhead

panhead

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BTW , anybody who use's the phrase "smart dosing " to apply twords theirself & the term " junkie " to refer to another member is a FOOL , as well as extremely uneducated about narcotic addiction or dependance , durring the course of my 20 plus year heavy opiate dependance ive known dozens of lil smarmy shits who smart dose'd their way right into a full blown addiction , they were different too & knew where to draw the line .

Anybody who use's prescription narcotics for recreational use has allready crossed the line , it's funny to watch how " smart dosers " draw different lines along their journey , right up until they've got grandma & grandpa tied up in the kitchen while they use their credit & atm cards all over town, you got some nerve calling another opiate user a junkie while you pat yourself on the back over your superior willpower , taking benzo's because you had road rage is smart dosing ? or from work related stress ?, that must be all that willpower workin for ya .You dont know shit about stress .
 
panhead

panhead

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Cannado , im far from wrong , your gravely mistaken if you think it all boils down to receptors & half lives where how fast the narcotic ( Leaves ) your system , thats only half the equasition , the other part your missing is how fast the drug is delievered to the receptors , the faster the interaction the drug has with the brain plays every bit a role as how fast it leaves the system , it's a well proven fact in narco therapy where narcotics that are based on the same compound will have wildly different responses on the user , as well as dramatically different side effects & dramatically different withdrawlls where the differences are all based on how fast the drug interacts with the receptors & to what degree the initial interaction or SLAM is .

Its as simple to understand as Crack vs Powder , both the same drug & both having vast differences in effect .
 
dopeydog

dopeydog

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@panhead- all benies are dangerous I was prescribed klonopin mostly and took Xanax I bought almost never adivan. I had more seizures coming of from them than I could count the good thing is you also don't remember them only scares the people who witness. my doctor wanted me to taper from them for 12 months!?!! that's how dangerous they are. also Ativan is not as strong as zanies or klons mg vs mg i am no doctor but they are all benies with the same withdawls. and the end result is the same, first they stop working as well as they did, then they stop working at all, when that happens it is already to late to stop cold turkey. best to never start.

i have anxiety as well these days i exercise it works much better. i'm not saying this to be an ass i also have been diagnosed with PTSD not from combat but from an accident i survived a car accident and my three friends did not, my best buddy died in my arms. as bad as that was benies only made it worse in the end.
 
canndo

canndo

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panhead said:
Cannado , im far from wrong , your gravely mistaken if you think it all boils down to receptors & half lives where how fast the narcotic ( Leaves ) your system , thats only half the equasition , the other part your missing is how fast the drug is delievered to the receptors , the faster the interaction the drug has with the brain plays every bit a role as how fast it leaves the system , it's a well proven fact in narco therapy where narcotics that are based on the same compound will have wildly different responses on the user , as well as dramatically different side effects & dramatically different withdrawlls where the differences are all based on how fast the drug interacts with the receptors & to what degree the initial interaction or SLAM is .



Its as simple to understand as Crack vs Powder , both the same drug & both having vast differences in effect .
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Now hang on, I'm not tallking about narcotics, I am talking specificly about the benzodiazapine class of drugs. We agree, ROA makes a HUGE difference in tendancy to addict. I was heavily addicted to nicotine, but mostly because of my ROA - cigarettes. I can pretty much tolerate my mild addiction to the nicotine in cigars (I don't inhale and the absorbtion is through the mucosa in the mouth), the difference is in the ROA.

You seem to have been saying that Alprazolam was a more benign drug than lorazapam. In fact I believe Alprazolam reaches peak plasma levels quicker than most any other benzo - given an oral roa. Now given that your son took an oral dose, he might have been even more suseptable to dangerous withdrawal effects had he been using alprazolam.

With BENZOS - it all comes down to serum half life and how that serum half life is managed in withdrawal situations. We agree that the more rapidly a substance is introduced to what ever pathways, the more likelly an addiction will set in and the more quickly it will do so.

What I was fearful of was that someone might infer that one benzo was somehow safer than another and that is not necessarily true.
 
canndo

canndo

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One more thing, what happens with many of the longer lasting benzos is that they have a cumulative effect. Valium for instance has a half life can be in excess of 15 hours. If one takes only 10 mg per day, he is actually increasing his blood serum levels by what? 30 percent a day? He takes his next day's dose when he has only expelled 6 to 8 mg from the previous dose. Granted one's metabolism will vary with the amount already in the system but the problem also comes when the very metabolites of the initial drug are benzos and those benzos have long half lives as well. Someone taking any benzo with a half life of over 12 hours will eventually get into trouble simply because he continues to build up residual amounts of at least one and possibly several benzos.

this is not to say that benzo use can not be managed, but it takes a hell of a lot more than staggering every other day or what have you, in order to do so. Rule of thumb with serum half life is 7 passes, that means that valium can have a total presence aside from active metabolites of over 80 hours.

This is what makes them so difficult but it is also what makes them good theraputicly for short periods, that is, the body floats in the chemical even after days.

Admittedly, there are many who never experience any problems, even with higher than theraputic doses, being able to either quickly step down or go cold turkey from moderate amounts of benzos, but those who cannot will run into some sort of trouble, be it a rebound effect (which is the most likely), causing more anxiety than they originaly reduced, more sleeplessness than they managed to correct or even more seizures than they were originaly used to reduce, or the more difficult, long term withdrawals, depersonalization, uncomfortable "zaps" of nerves, uneasiness, difficulty with fine motor skills, tremors, nausea and a host of other nasties that can last quite a while.

For some they are fun. but the fun goes away when the drug starts actually doing what it is supposed to do - calm and quiet one's internal issues. When THAT begins to decrease, one should begin to wean off of them, usually gradualy and usually with a longer half life equivilent.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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dopeydog said:
@panhead- all benies are dangerous I was prescribed klonopin mostly and took Xanax I bought almost never adivan. I had more seizures coming of from them than I could count the good thing is you also don't remember them only scares the people who witness. my doctor wanted me to taper from them for 12 months!?!! that's how dangerous they are. also Ativan is not as strong as zanies or klons mg vs mg i am no doctor but they are all benies with the same withdawls. and the end result is the same, first they stop working as well as they did, then they stop working at all, when that happens it is already to late to stop cold turkey. best to never start.

i have anxiety as well these days i exercise it works much better. i'm not saying this to be an ass i also have been diagnosed with PTSD not from combat but from an accident i survived a car accident and my three friends did not, my best buddy died in my arms. as bad as that was benies only made it worse in the end.
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Quoted for truth. All benzos have the ability to cause seizures during with drawl. To say other wise is completely irresponsible and wrong. Even a basic wiki read would correct this misinformation
 
panhead

panhead

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In no way was i implying one was safer than another , infact i generally try n tell the younger generation here to stay away from all prescription drugs , im on my 23 rd year of a heavy opiate dependance where unless medical advances allow for more invasive surgeries into my spinal cord i'll be opiate dependant the rest of my life ,ive had more surgeries than i can count without really thinking & have exhausted all medical procedures available , trying to atleast deaden the pain enough where narco therapy will allow me to be pain free , even for1day would be a blessing , no matter how high a dose they have me on if im awake im in pain , after my1st nerve graft deal i was dosed at 6 80 mg oxycontin,3 100 mg nyucnta & up to 3 30 mg roxycodone daily , im on roughly half that now ,my narcotic therapy has reached a point where part of the therapy is meeting monthly with a pain specialist who educates us as to how the narcotics work within the body , they also teach us of the damage being done to the internal organs from prolonged use , most of which are irreversable , most of my knowledge about prescription narcotics stems from personal use , in the past 6 months me & my wife just started learning the medical side of the drugs from the " Awareness " sessions my group has with the doctors , i do not like to ever be wrong or give misleading info , not out of self vanity either , such an important topic demands precise info so if im wrong about something i welcome more education on the subject .

After rereading my post i can now see where it came across as making one better than the other which was not my intent .I just wanted the OP to know how fast such small amounts of Ativan allmost cost me another son , i also wanted him to hear why my boy was prescribed the meds & that he never abused them for rec use either , my wife & i both take the same awareness as she has severe Multiple Scleurosis among other serious medical issues & our hearts really go out for the kids using script drugs for rec use , if i ever give out any misleading info i welcome to know where i was wrong , vague or misleading .
 
brek

brek

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Niether.

I was prescribed xanax by a doctor when I had trouble sleeping. Prescribed 1-3 mgs a day.It soon became I HAD to have those fuckers. Pretty much needed them to function for daily life. Took them everyday for almost 10 years. The only reason I quit is because my insurance plan changed and I needed to go to a diff dr office across town to get renewed. I had so much "anxiety" from going off them I couldn't even bring myself to make a new appointment. For at least a month i felt like SHIT. Racing heart, sweating, nausea, extreme anxiety etc.

Been off them for over a year now and I could NOT be happier. Those things are dangerous imo.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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I am sorry to hear about your pain, I'm headed down a similar path and have no clue what it's like not to be in pain for the last ten years (arthritis of the spine, every vertebrate in my neck is bulged and seated improperly, with 4 and growing bulged discs L3 down to S1) I've got some youth on my side for now, but will soon need invasive measures. I'm opiate dependent as well, and I have a doctor who's "good" in the way of concern for addiction, yet adequate pain relief is like pulling teeth.
 
RIPE

RIPE

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I know nothing about Xanex but Ativan will keep you focused so you can get through life. It relieves tension and helps you sleep. If you want to stop find a place with no one living around you and you will survive without it fine. People and society are toxic and dangerous not ativan. Diazapam is cheaper but not as effective as ativan. If anyone has had a bad reaction to ativan there were other variables involved. If it works and you know the definition of moderation and horse sense you are fine with 1.0 mg of ativan every night and a small amount during the day depending on the number of assholes you come into contact with. Does not impair driving or judgement in those quantities and probably reduces road rage and poor judgement in difficult situations. Get the alchoholics off the road and into rehab and the world will be a better place.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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RIPE said:
I know nothing about Xanex but Ativan will keep you focused so you can get through life. It relieves tension and helps you sleep. If you want to stop find a place with no one living around you and you will survive without it fine. People and society are toxic and dangerous not ativan. Diazapam is cheaper but not as effective as ativan. If anyone has had a bad reaction to ativan there were other variables involved. If it works and you know the definition of moderation and horse sense you are fine with 1.0 mg of ativan every night and a small amount during the day depending on the number of assholes you come into contact with. Does not impair driving or judgement in those quantities and probably reduces road rage and poor judgement in difficult situations. Get the alchoholics off the road and into rehab and the world will be a better place.
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This is bad advice again. It doesn't matter if you are fucking with Ativan, Klonopin, Xanax, or any other benzodiazapins. All these drugs have similar properties including the possibility of addiction and withdrawal with long term usage. These drugs do in fact interact with operating machinery, including operating a vehicles.

Ironically with regards to your comment about alchoholics, benzodiazapins act on similar receptors in the brain. You'd notice this from both having similar effects.

I'd add it isn't necessarily safer. I have a friend who's mother is facing pancreatitis due to abusing both benzodiazapins and having a glass of wine with dinner over the years.

Please don't spread misinformation. I'm not out there to scare people as these drugs do have a place medically and recreational, but please do research on how these drugs work, and the potential negative consequences of using said chemicals
 
Budget Buds

Budget Buds

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I have about 600 1 mg xanax in my safe, They have been there for months, I stay away from all benzos. I got into valiums one summer when the fuzz was making it impossible to get cannabis , I went from one a day to two a day two weeks later, At the end of summer I was taking up wards of 5 at a time for the primary dose and another 10 mgs every two hours or so. When the weed came back around and i stopped the valiums I did not sleep for almost a month. I actually had to leave the area for two weeks so I would not go get more in the night. I had a bad 2 months , It was hell and I would never do it again. I have seen the damage they do to every person who takes them for an extended period of time, me included . the worst part about it is that while my experience with them sucked big black cocks. It was very minor in comparison to what I have seen others go through on them. STAY AWAY FROM BENZOS !!!
 
Purge

Purge

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Ativan if you can't notice the difference, since it's already known to be a bit weaker, and the effect imo are as addictive.
Plus it last longer, doesn't put you on your ass, and has a slow come down.

As a abuser, I'd prefer xanax.
I try klonopin the first time last night, I'd my favorite benzo so for. I've tried the other two severallllll times.
 
BA142

BA142

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As somebody who has been through benzodiazepine withdrawal, I highly suggest not using alprazolam or lorazepam. I never even abused them either...just took them as prescribed. These are not drugs to play around with.
 
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