All this "Hermie" talk?

ginnzy

Active Member
Whats with all the talk on the forums about plants going hermaphrodite? I've grown for at least 15 years (I took a 7 yr break till now ;-)), and in all the years ive grown ive never had a plant go hermaphrodite on me. I read in one post, "dont plant so many plants per light, your chance of hermies is much greater", and "dont interrupt the off cycle, you'll get hermies"..... I dunno, i just dont buy it. if you have a stable strain, you shouldnt get any hermaphrodites. unless you really, really stress the hell out of them somehow. just my opinion, from years of growing.
 

Novicehomegrower

New Member
poor genetics

too much stress .

fucked up light patern

over fert

all sorts of stuff .

but generally a plant wont hermi if its some good genetics
 

Bigby

Well-Known Member
Buy some Reserva Privada Kosher Kush fem and see how ya get on. If you started growing 15 years ago there was not a multi million dollar industry surrounding seed breeding, so likely less unscrupulous money men, and more high quality breeders. Doubt that has anything to do with it though, your tone clearly proves it must be your skill.
 

dEvlKinG

Well-Known Member
poor genetics

too much stress .

fucked up light patern

over fert

all sorts of stuff .

but generally a plant wont hermi if its some good genetics

I doubt "good genetics" can avoid turning to hermie. When a plant turns it, it does to survive. It's a survival mechanism, nothing to do with genetics. When a plant get "stressed"*(stressed means the plant detects some anomalies on growth) it turns on the survival mechanism in order to re-produce the species.

You need to start understanding how plants think.

Here's an example:

A plant needs to get pollinated when it's sexualy mature. It doesn't have a brain to understand if there are males around or not, so it just waits for the pollen. As time passes it still waits for the pollen, but suddenly something happens and it becomes "sick" or the enviroment "crashed". It thinks that it's the last plant on the same specie so it needs to save the it from extinction and start producing the opposite sex flowers. :-)


P.S. I tripped on the example, i felt like a plant.. Too high..
 

MYOB

Well-Known Member
no, a herm is a herm. a few nanners late in the game is not a herm, imo.
I feel the same way. You could have the perfect environment and still get a few seeds hidden in buds. I happens late in flowering often. Hermaphrodites are both male and female. They have full flowers of each sex and display the trait early.

The whole stress/light leak/hermie thing is largely anecdotal, perpetuated by the inexperienced who read it and repeat it with no actual relevant experience or data.
 

strain horder

Active Member
In the last 5 years there have been so many bad crosses and sub par genetics introduced that many people are experiencing issues like hermie. Just my opinion though. I just think there are tons of unstable genetics out there right now. And a butt load of newer growers who probably stress their plants into hermoprodhite just by making the mistakes we all make in the beginning. I didn't see nearly the crazy hermi issues until the last 5 years or so.. 15 years ago I would rarely see a hermie unless it was from bag seed. But I also didn't see the thousands of available strains that are out there now.
 

BluntM8

Active Member
this may be, to some degree, a negative side effect of hybridizing and inbreeding. seems like every strain now days is a hybrid (both indica/sativa or sativa/indica), and then the next strain is a hybrid of two hybrids, and then the next.. so on and so forth. its like years and years of natural selection (evolution) have been skipped or have not occurred due to such rapid hybridizing of hybrids.
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
The term "hermie" is misused and misunderstood.

A real hermaphrodite is rare, except in some landraces. A real hermaphrodite has to have an X and a Y chromosome. That means it is dioecious. A real hermaphrodite will exhibit male and female flowers together. A monoecious hermaphrodite will exhibit the flowers together too, if the plant is stressed from the get go. For the most part, a monoecious hermaphrodite will have separate male and female flowers.

What 99.99% of people are talking about when they say "hermie" or hermaphrodite is a female plant that has produced male flowers. Technically this is not a hermaphrodite. When speaking of breeding with feminized seeds someone referred to a female plant that has been forced to produce male flowers as a "Trannie." That is a much more apropos name.

When you have a female plant, it will have two X chromosomes. It can not become a hermaphrodite. A real, dioecious hermaphrodite has to have an X and a Y chromosome. If a real female plant (XX) produces male flowers it is still a female. The male flowers are a normal and natural survival mechanism. If cannabis did not have this, it probably would not exist. While many curse "nanners" I think they are a blessing and a great aspect of a wonderful plant.

Male flowers on a female plant can be induced in different ways. Stress is the most common factor. Improper feeding, heat and over watering are the most common ways people stress plants.

You can also use chemicals to safely force a female plant to produce male flowers. These chemicals do not stress the plant, they just trick the plant into releasing the hormones that make male flowers. With colloidal silver, you can spray one branch and only that branch will produce male flowers.

The pollen from either the balls or the nanners of a female plant will only have X chromosomes. So when that pollen makes a seed it will be a feminized seed. A feminized technically can not produce a hermaphrodite, since it does not have a Y chromosome. A feminized seed can produce female plant with male flowers, just like a female plant from a regular seed.

Plants from properly made feminized seeds are 99.999999% female and are just as likely to produce male flowers, hermie, as plants from regular seeds.
 

brotherjericho

Well-Known Member
I've only had one (feminized) plant throw out some balls: Cali Conn Buddha Tahoe OG. 17 days into 12/12, no known stress. Not seen any balls before or after that one. *knocking on wood*
 

MYOB

Well-Known Member
I would like to see some real scientific data demonstrating stress induced hermaphroditism in cannabis.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
I would like to see some real scientific data demonstrating stress induced hermaphroditism in cannabis.
There is alot of scientific data I would love to see on herms and/or females producing male flowers. That is an area I dont think many people have put very much scientific research in at all with MJ plants. Maybe over the years, as more and more places legalize, we might can see more time spent on things like that.

Doors are just being opened on modern day knowledge of MJ. I am sure spending a lot of time on hermies is way down the list of priorities in the field.
 
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