All first time growers read this!

I have grown weed with a T5, a bunch of CFLs and HID. I think the HID weed is way better.
I would go with 250, minimum.


Here is a floralux 250 watt hps on sale for $144
http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-FLORALUX-250-watt-High-Pressure-Sodium-Grow-Light.asp

They have a small fan filter combo for $141
http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-A-GrowBright-4in-Inline-Fan-&-Carbon-Filter-Combo.asp

You need two 4" flanges, $10
http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-4-Inch-Cooling-Flange.asp

4" flexible ducting 25' $14
http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-4in-Flexible-Ducting---25-Feet.asp

You can make your own pots and compost your own soil...

That comes out to $309, shipping will be around $20-$30 they have 11 stores.

HTG stuff is fine. I have been running their cheap inline fans for years with out turning them off. They have a warranty.
A friend bought their 250 watt hps set up because the floralux wouldn't fit in his cabinet. He used the euro reflector, I think and the buds can touch the glass below the light. He pulls 5-7 ounces out of it every 3 and a half months or so. (He grows in coco).

i understand everyone thinks this should be more powerful but this is for beginners.

so what you think isnt powerful is to someone whos only done a single plant in a cupboard with a few cfls.

also the fan i have isnt cheap just inexpensive.

htg is one of those companies who knows they have the same Chinese made shit as everyone else. they just dont try to say its better than the rest. just equal

also if your product is defective itll show signs within a few days to months and youd be able to get it replaced ASAP

my friend had a lumatek ballast and it crapped out on him twice in a year. had a hassle getting it replaced under warranty both times

i on the other hand have been running my 600watt digital greenhouse for the past 3-4 years with no problems but if i was to break it under warranty whether it was my fault or not HTG would send out a new one no questions asked.

tip top toker said:

There is absolutely no need for an intake fan let alone a 6" intake fan.

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Ever heard of good air circulation?

or do you want long stretchy plants trying to suck every last particle of CO2 out of the stale air youd have inside the tent?

a well invested 25 dollars IMHO and itll keep the temps down

theres no reason NOT to have a 6" intake

also this is for new growers thus its in the NEWBIE CENTRAL section

so for those bashing it if you arent a NEW GROWER id stop with the "this isnt powerful" and "this set up sucks just get some cfls"

its pointless.

Krondizzel said:

in my experiences with those inline fans is they go out quite often. worth the extra coin to buy a good one. I know your trying to keep it cost effective, but replacing one that stops working will be part of the "unplanned costs" category? Which we all dislike and try to avoid Plus, if you attach a carbon filter to any fan, it bogs it down, and the better blowers help significantly. hope i didn't offend anyone, just trying to help

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also a 2 dollar can of duster and a 2 dollar can of wd40 keeps everything running smoothly

i still have the 4" and 6" from when i bought a set up like this about 4-5 years ago.

budbro18 said:

Ever heard of good air circulation?

or do you want long stretchy plants trying to suck every last particle of CO2 out of the stale air youd have inside the tent?

a well invested 25 dollars IMHO and itll keep the temps down

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#You obvisouly do not udnerstand the concept of negative pressure. I say there is no need for an intake fan for a reason unless we are talking very big grows, which we are not. Your outtake fan creates your intake. Negative pressure all you need is a sufficient intake VENT, not fan. The outtake fan does all the work required.

No i grasp it well but you still would want a fan pulling in air as well as out.

budbro18 said:

No i grasp it well but you still would want a fan pulling in air as well as out.

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not true many people run with just outtake with vent hole on the bottom to pull in fresh air same thing instead af having a fan to blow in air is being sucked in by the outake get it? fresh air is still being brought in just gotta make sure to have negative pressure

No, you don't. If you have a fan pulling air out, and you have an intake vent, the negative pressure pulls the air in all on it's own. We are not talking about large grows in this thread, so an intake vent is more than sufficient. This is not just an opinion, this is a well understood fact. Negative pressure. For a beginner grow, that is to say a small grow, if you have a good extraction fan, then this performs the job of the intake fan as well. You can have an intake fan by all means, but there is absolutely no need. You clearly do not grasp the notion of negative pressure well.

tip top toker said:

No, you don't. If you have a fan pulling air out, and you have an intake vent, the negative pressure pulls the air in all on it's own. We are not talking about large grows in this thread, so an intake vent is more than sufficient. This is not just an opinion, this is a well understood fact. Negative pressure. For a beginner grow, that is to say a small grow, if you have a good extraction fan, then this performs the job of the intake fan as well. You can have an intake fan by all means, but there is absolutely no need. You clearly do not grasp the notion of negative pressure well.

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i dont see why this is so hard for him to understand

Me either. Only way i can explain it to myself is that he wants this to be a well known "go to" and doesn't like the notion of it being filled with people making statements that oppose his guide. I don't mean that in a mean way, but negative pressure is negative pressure, as you say, countless growers use it just happily wihtout ever having to need an intake fan, but there is just no wiggle room it seems in accepting that the requirement for an intake fan is well, not a requirement as stated in the OP

Fuck the HID off and just run HPS all the way through. Do em no harm!

i can completely understand it but it just adds confusion to new growers. you dont need a fan but theres no harm in having one pulling extra air in and blowing it across the plants to help limit stretching.

everyones just coming on here saying well you could do this and that and this and that and this

but thats why I made this and planned for people who were just starting out growing to ask questions about planning a grow.

this whole page is meant to be a scale-able skeleton for people to use as an outline to start growing.

Also, all you are being so critical of everything when theres no need to be. all i want to do is help some youngins out and all you have to do is sit on here and say shoulda, coulda, woulda.

I completely grasp everything you are trying to tell me and dont dispute it.

But its overwhelming to those just trying to start something up and make sure it runs fine.

deejay123 said:

Fuck the HID off and just run HPS all the way through. Do em no harm!

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HID is the class of light HPS is in.

canniboss said:

I imagine that most people would need a carbon filter on the exhaust.
If your using a shitty 4'' ductfan with a filter on the out bound and a shitty 6'' on the inbound your tent will bulge out and any attempt at filtration will be useless.

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i never mentioned carbon filtering.

someone else did and youre right youd need a 6 inch inline fan like the one i got.

nice blunts though

so basically your OP is skethy to say the least. You tell new growers that #1 contains everything you need and it doesn't even include a carbon filter. Are you trying to get them busted?

New growers, here is my advice, do a lot more reading, this thread should NOT be your one and only stop with regard to setting up your grow room as is suggested in the OP.

I have 3 x 3 tent and never used an intake fan.
Recommending an intake fan and not a carbon filter is irresponsible. You can get along fine without a intake fan. You would not be smart to grow without a carbon filter.


After changing out my old carbon filter from my tent and noticing how it was covered in dust and crap, I now use a carbon filter and a 4" fan for intake.

Clean air in, no dust on my buds.

Well first off if youre only using a 150 watt you wont get all that much heat or smell and if youre able to control the heat that helps keep smell down

Scent molecules are less potent at colder/dryer temperatures.

also this is meant for people who either can legally grow their own and dont have to worry so much about a carbon filter because of a medical card

and for those who may not be able to legally grow but own/have permission to grow inside their home.

with that being said this set up wont smell more than if you were smoking a blunt in your house.

im not denying the need for a carbon filter, its just not as required.

Also this is not a "ONE STOP GUIDE" to grow weed.

This is the simple set up i used when i first started out and it helped me grasp the HID learning curve, so to say.

And when i was growing i didnt even have permission from the home owner and they couldnt smell a thing.

inside my room was a little stinky but with the constant weed smoking you couldnt tell the difference.

So i hoped it would help other first time growers who chose to go this route.

Some may some may not. To each his own.

Ive grown for several years without a carbon filter.

as long as you have enough air moving and can disperse the scent filled air fast enough and evenly enough you cant smell a thing

you could be right next to the door to the room and couldnt smell a thing.

i had all my exhusts pushing down my ac/heat vents and was averaging 8-12 oz per harvest. (not using the set up described above)

so if that can be made to barely smell a few plants under a 150 watt barely smell if you have adequate ventelation.

but keep arguing and ill still be here to reply.

Once again let me put the disclaimer up

!!!!DISCLAIMER!!!!

THIS IS NOT A PERFECT GROW SET UP

IT IS JUST THE SET UP I FIRST USED INVOLVING HID LIGHTING

IT IS MEANT TO HELP THOSE WITH FEAR OF HID TO REALIZE YOU CAN START SMALL AND

DONT HAVE TO GET A 1000 WATTER AND A WHOLE ROOM

ALSO TO THE IGNORANT FUCKS...

READ THIS DISCLAIMER THAT IVE POSTED A FEW TIMES AND TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.

thank you,

OP

just read this. dont know if anyone else will but I am giggling like a schoolgirl right now im so stoned hahahahaha FIRST HARVEST