Alex Jones/Zeitgeist Debate

TheBrutalTruth

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Here are the problems that I think the post "monetary" society is failing to address adequately.

First and foremost they fail to address who is going to guard the guards? Who is going to prevent people from manipulating the system to their own ends?

Then there's the question of artificial and actual scarcity. About the desirability of some goods over other goods. I don't know about you people, but the thought of being stuck eating something like a soy burger turns my stomach.

So what do you do if there is a shortage? How are you going to stop people from hoarding food and supplies instead of just taking as much as they "need".

What are you going to do when people are taking advantage of scarcity of one good to trade these hoarded goods to other people for more of a different good.

Like, some one that has some lumber, or steel that normally is available and trading it for more of something else?

This post monetary system fails to adequately address the fact that goods can be given value and that those values can easily fluctuate so if a group of people collaborate to create artificial shortages they can manipulate the markets.

The problem isn't money, money is merely a convenient form of exchange that has value, because we believe it has value. It doesn't matter if you use clamshells, gold flakes, lead balls, cotton swabs, or sticks as currency. With the believed value money will always be money, and it will always be possible to change it for goods.

Hell, you don't even have to call it money, some one could easily start using pieces of steel as a currency with out calling it money, and it'd still be money.
 

bobharvey

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That's the beauty of it. If we aren't forced to work to survive, we can pursue those things that aren't conducive to survival like the arts, music, and philosophy.

How much better would your garden be if you didn't have to work? Would you learn to play a musical instrument if you had that much free time? Maybe you could get into base jumping or anything else.

Imagine the freedom.
Exactly. Popular culture is synthetic it isn't real. Most of the music that is on the radio isn't even really music and almost every song is a remix lol. I think that is what Terrence McKenna was talking about when he said the individual needs to create his own culture. Instead of following what society claims to be culture.
 

bobharvey

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Ownership is a basic necessity of any culture, and of any civilization.
Not necessarily. Native American cultures worked perfectly well and often they had no concept of individuals owning land. Instead they believed that the land belonged to everyone, so they all respected the land and hunted it.


Ownership is essential, because with out it you have no belonging.
I was not born with the things that I have and I can't take them with me when I die. I'm not materialistic and if everything that is in my possession was taken from me tonight, I wouldn't cry. I don't define myself by my possessions that is immature and ignorant.
 

Microdizzey

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I was not born with the things that I have and I can't take them with me when I die. I'm not materialistic and if everything that is in my possession was taken from me tonight, I wouldn't cry. I don't define myself by my possessions that is immature and ignorant.
I'm the same way man. They can take everything I have, that's fine. I will enjoy living off the land like a real human being.

I feel sorry for the people who only have material possessions to make them happy. It's going to be hellish for them when it's all taken away.
 

bobharvey

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I feel sorry for the people that think money makes them who they are...when paper money has no intrinsic value.
 

7th1der

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Yeah, more for the things I need now opposed to the thing I want. My take on this is that in order to make it through, you have to have an NWO state of mind. Create money out of thin air (whether you grow or make products) and buy hard assets with the money. MTV got these kids thinking you have to sell crack and buy big ass trucks. What's the sense of a chick buying a $600 purse (on credit) if she doesn't have $600 to put in it?
 

blonddie07

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Alex Jones is the biggest pile of shit. He makes money by promoting fear. All those movies he endorses are all BULLSHIT. Its just made to make some cash. The guy is a millionaire i hope you guys know. He doesn't give a rats ass...
 

7th1der

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Alex Jones is the biggest pile of shit. He makes money by promoting fear. All those movies he endorses are all BULLSHIT. Its just made to make some cash. The guy is a millionaire i hope you guys know. He doesn't give a rats ass...
:peace:No argument there, but is there proof of his million$? I think he just wants to awaken the people.
 
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