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mosberg911 said:

Thanks guys im happy i started this post Al B Fuct we can talk here instead of the pm. Ok today i was out and my room got a little hot for a little 85 but i got it under control very fast

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Give some thought to improving the ventilation so temp control isn't dependent upon you remembering to open the tent (and causing some light leaks that might be noticed if any light can escape the grow room area).

Use both intake and exhaust fans to more efficiently move cool air through the space.

thanks potroast ok so Al i will leave it right now. Now should i leave the lights on 18 hours like i am? Or should I increase it to 24 what do you think is the best way right now

18 is sufficient, but 24 will veg them faster. My mums and clonebox run 24/7.

Have you got your mother plant vegging area organised yet? Clonebox set up?

You'll be taking some cuttings from these seedlings you have going when they get to about 8-12" tall. To determine the sex of the parent plant, one clone from each parent then will go in to 12/12 flowering cycle lighting.

You'll need to have your vegging area ready to handle the parents (or 'mothers' if they come up female) while you're using your main space for flowering.

potroast said:

I haven't used GH Flora series in a few years, but IIRC 5 ml/gal of each is 900 ppm.

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I use Canna nutes. My 125 litre (33 gallon) tanks get 375ml each of 'A' and 'B' to get 1300ppm. Works out to 11.3ml/gallon. (1 gallon = 3.78 litres).

ok al here are the new pics. Im starting to get nervous r they healthy some of the plants look like a lighter green i dont know if thats good or bad take a look at these pics also i have been misting them with a spray bottle is that ok? Will it hurt the leaves or should i stop doing that?

Take a look at these pics and tell me what you think im also gonna need to set up a veg area i just have them all in the hut right now Just tell me if the plants look healthy then we can talk about how to set up another area i have the room i will include pics

The first photo is big bus see how the leaves are a little strange or is that normal. The third is the northern lights and see how the leaves have a tiny bit of yellow in them Pictures 1 and 5 are the ones that are scaring me what do you think

First of all, Don't Panic.

Everyone looks reasonably OK except for some browning on the edges of pics #3 & #5. Could have been a little high-temperature scorching. Keep a watch on the edges of new leaves. If you see any more, think about nutrient strength.

Plant #1 looks mostly OK; the leaf curl could have been caused by high temps or excessive humidity. Stop the misting. I never spray a plant with anything except to apply a bit of soapy water to kill powdery mildew on leaves in about wk 3-4 of flowering

You have a nute meter yet? Got a peak-memory digital thermometer/hygrometer? These are really necessary widgets.

yes i have all that stuff so you think its cool here are some more
yup maybe from the 1 day it was 85 and i got it down to 75 like an hour after it happened
everyday my ph spikes to about 6.3 then i bring it down im gonna show you pics of my set up here

ok i just got 4 female skink seeds in the mail and 4 female church seeds you think i should wait to germinate them until i sex these guys do you think there is anyway i can tell the sex without putting the lights 12/12 i dont know how im gonna make a veg area al

Yeah, hold off on doing any more seedlings until you have these grown out.

Usually when I see pH jumping up like that on a daily basis, there's some fungi in the reservoir. Are you treating the reservoir with H2O2 yet? Should get 1ml of 50% grade H2O2 per 1 litre of tank volume (about 3.8ml per gallon, if you MUST use gallons... ).

85F isn't horrible, but it is probably enough to heat-stress seedlings, which are really quite fragile when they're small like yours.

You determine sex by flowering only 1 cutting from your parent plant, not by flowering the whole parent plant. You don't want the parent to be in flower if you are going to take more cuttings from it. Keep the parents in veg until you know their sex.

here are my meters im using and some more of the set up

so what your saying is i would have to use the hut for flower and now make a veg area? What kind of lights should i use for the veg i mean i have the lights in the hut already i cant take that light out of the hut what should i do?


im very confused at the moment how the heck am i gonna take all them out of the hut and into another area with a less powerful light?

For your vegging area, just make yourself another grow tent. Won't have to be as big as the one you have now- only enough space for a light (could use some high output CFs), a circ fan and the plants.

The commercially made tent is nice, but you can probably save yourself some dough by making your own tent out of panda film and some lengths of timber (1x3 will do OK) or out of 1" square aluminum tubing with plastic connector fittings. Your hydro shop probably has the tubing and connectors. Let me know when you get around to this task.

This is my clonebox- as simple as they can be:



Just an old wooden shipping container lined with coroplast from old real-estate signs with 3x twin 24", 18W tube flo fixtures, an exhaust fan and a 30 degree C heat mat. Just copy this one or get close to it.

does it have to be a tent cant i just put lights on the side of my tent iu have now and add a fan i cant fit anything else man

mosberg911 said:

im very confused at the moment how the heck am i gonna take all them out of the hut and into another area with a less powerful light?

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Well, growing them as you have, all in a single container of clay pellets, makes portability a bit difficult, but it can be done- carefully.

When your plants get a bit bigger and stronger (but not big enough that the root systems of the neighbouring plants begin to intertwine), flood the container of pellets fully to loosen the roots.

Gently lift the plant, rootmass and a handful of the pellets which are in the rootmass, getting your hand under the roots instead of trying to pull the plant out by its stem. Try to damage roots as little as possible. You might even be able to scoop up the plant, rootmass and the pellets attached to the roots with the pot you are trying to land them in with the tub flooded up to the top of the pellets.

Drop the plant, rootmass and pellets into a ~8" dia plastic pot with plenty of holes in the bottom. Now you have a portable plant. You can then get rid of the rest of the clay pellets in the big black tub. Just sit the pots on the floor of the tub and flood the tub for watering.

You might get a little transplant shock if you tear up too many roots. This might show up as minor wilting. After transplanting, give them a day in the dark. They should recover enough to return to normal lighting in the next day or so. One day in lights off won't be enough to shift them into flowering.

mosberg911 said:

does it have to be a tent cant i just put lights on the side of my tent iu have now and add a fan i cant fit anything else man

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Your vegging area has to be isolated from the flowering area. Your vegging area will have lights on 18+ hours per day- if light from the vegging area can get to your flowering plants, interrupting their 12 hour dark time, they won't flower. You need to establish a separate area for your vegging plants. Doesn't have to be big, certainly not as big as your flowering tent, just big enough to house 1-2 mums.

I have 5 6 inch pots which i bought

ok al what should i work on this week i planted them on march 20 they are almost 2 weeks old what should i be working on this week

Your job this week is to start building up your vegging tent and clone box. You have about 3-4 weeks to get those done before you need to use them. You will need the clone box first. It will take 7-10 days to get your cuttings to set root. When they do strike and develop good roots, they then go into the flowering tent and the parents will go into the veg tent.

When do i lst or top them will you tell me when its time ur awesome man were gonna do this together

What lights do you think i should bye. what lights for the clonebox and more lights for the veg right so what your saying is the hut im using now is gonna be for flowerin correct?

so im gonna need 2 more rooms? 3 total?

Here is my closet what would you do would you put the clone box in this corner or the veg?

HOW WOULD THIS SPACE BE TOO any good for clone or veg what would ur opinion be

would you put the clone by the original tent or the veg

mosberg911 said:

When do i lst or top them will you tell me when its time ur awesome man were gonna do this together

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When your seedlings get to about 8-10" tall (2-3 weeks, I reckon), you can then start cutting them back. Your seedlings won't be at sexual maturity just yet, so the plant material you cut from the seedlings won't be useful to make clones- just discard this material.

When your seedlings are sexually mature, then you can take some cuttings which you will try to get to set root. Don't confuse 'sexual maturity' with 'showing sex.' Plants won't show sex until they are flowered i.e. put in 12/12 light for a week or so.

Sexual maturity is reached when you start seeing 'preflowers' at the nodes (the points on the mainstem where the leaf stems attach).

female preflowers:



Male preflowers:




Early male and female preflowers can look very similar to one another- one giveaway of femininity is the little white hairs (known as calyxes) growing out of the preflowers. The calyxes may not appear until you have the plant in flower for a week or so. However, the plant won't flower until it is showing preflowers at the nodes, so attempting to flower sexually immature cuttings won't work well.

Now... RELAX, ok? we will get you there, trust me.