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MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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conor c said:
Yeah i think sam talks alot of shit alot of the time if he was a breeder why would you never improve haze i think the guy just got others work then presented it as his own look at cali o he tryed to claim he invented it when everybody knows it was another other guys work he worked skunk#1 idk about if he made it on his own he may not have i just take half the shit he says with a pinch of salt
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Going by what Todd said in one of the Potcast interviews - Sam didn’t breed haze. Sam’s friend and neighbor was the breeder that put the strains together and actually worked it.
 
MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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Charles U Farley said:
Since the general tone and tenor of this forum is much improved now compared to last year, I'm going to choose not to respond to your post how I normally would.

But for the record, incorrect definition of preservationist, Skunkman did not "breed out" the smell, and DJ Shorts Blueberry herms because he polyploided it with cholchicine... and it wasn't developed in the 70's. From Vic High of the BCGA website circa 1999:

"Reported to produce large crystalized buds with natural occurring blueish hues and an unmistakable berry taste and aroma.

Of the ten seeds, I got 5 males and 5 females. They all started out looking very deformed with wrinkled leaves and varigation. At first I thought it was do to excessive inbreeding but later found out that the strain was treated with cholchicine. Two males and one female were precosious and would not stop flowering regardless of light cycle. These were discarded. Of the remaining 3 males, two would not shed pollen (they would flower but the pollen would not drop). These were also discarded."
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This is very interesting, so I googled and found this old thread. I think this is worth looking into. https://www.icmag.com/threads/the-use-of-colchicine.209637/

@ Charles U Farley - since I have some Northern Lights on the way, mind linking some more info on your “Southeastern Lights” project? I got NL on the brain this week, and I was reminded of an old thread of yours.
 
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conor c

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
Going by what Todd said in one of the Potcast interviews - Sam didn’t breed haze. Sam’s friend and neighbor was the breeder that put the strains together and actually worked it.
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The Haze bros i know but my point is if your a breeder and someone gives u a killer line but its still a bit rough and the originator of it cant or aint working it why would you not take a crack at it yourself this is my point i aint saying sam bred it but if he was a breeder by any standards he would have tryed to improve it and well he didnt
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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conor c said:
The Haze bros i know but my point is if your a breeder and someone gives u a killer line but its still a bit rough and the originator of it cant or aint working it why would you not take a crack at it yourself this is my point i aint saying sam bred it but if he was a breeder by any standards he would have tryed to improve it and well he didnt
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Devils advocate because im curious and ignorant, how do we know he didn't improve it?
 
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conor c

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Tolerance Break said:
Devils advocate because im curious and ignorant, how do we know he didn't improve it?
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Cos he says it himself on icmag for one thing sam i mean also he clearly didnt 1 in 25 were good plants back in the day with the inbreeding now i bet its 1 in 100 thats decent in original haze sam said he preserved it never tried to improve the line
 
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Tolerance Break

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As a brief aside, I think there is an odd obsession with the quality of character having anything to do with the quality of bud.

I'm not saying anybody is a Saint or a sinner, but it feels like alot of people want to say X is a piece of shit who didn't grow good weed while Y was a good person who grew good weed. I don't think any if it is that black and white, with Nevile being the prime example.
 
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conor c

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Tolerance Break said:
As a brief aside, I think there is an odd obsession with the quality of character having anything to do with the quality of bud.

I'm not saying anybody is a Saint or a sinner, but it feels like alot of people want to say X is a piece of shit who didn't grow good weed while Y was a good person who grew good weed. I don't think any if it is that black and white, with Nevile being the prime example.
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Well thats cos in the old days the community didnt support snitches liars charlatans etc i aint just talking about sam more in general it seems as time goes on less and less people seem to care where they get there seeds from also i would say you always have a higher chance of getting killer bud from people who honest vs questionable and on a side note nevil was no saint far from it but his work speaks for itself how many people keep original haze clones from sam vs nevils work for example its nevils work that made haze so popular obviously sam did his bit getting original haze/skunk#1 seeds out there in the first place no one can deny him that
 
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budtoker221

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[QUOTE="Charles U Farley said:
Since the general tone and tenor of this forum is much improved now compared to last year, I'm going to choose not to respond to your post how I normally would.

But for the record, incorrect definition of preservationist, Skunkman did not "breed out" the smell, and DJ Shorts Blueberry herms because he polyploided it with cholchicine... and it wasn't developed in the 70's. From Vic High of the BCGA website circa 1999:

"Reported to produce large crystalized buds with natural occurring blueish hues and an unmistakable berry taste and aroma.

Of the ten seeds, I got 5 males and 5 females. They all started out looking very deformed with wrinkled leaves and varigation. At first I thought it was do to excessive inbreeding but later found out that the strain was treated with cholchicine. Two males and one female were precosious and would not stop flowering regardless of light cycle. These were discarded. Of the remaining 3 males, two would not shed pollen (they would flower but the pollen would not drop). These were also discarded."
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Farley about DJ using colchicine.. I think you might be mistaken about that.
I’ve read those posts from Vic about his blueberry on the BCGA archives and from what I remember he said he got the blueberry seeds from BCSC.. and that BCSC got their blueberry seeds from Sagarmatha.

 
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Charles U Farley

Charles U Farley

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conor c said:
Basically back in the day people claimed that using colchine a mutagenic compound they thought you could use it to produce mutagenic plants better than normal however in reality it produced crappy mutants thats why you dont see many using it some think this is how we managed to increase thc content in some lines i dont personally i think thats down to good starting genetics and good selection but i know a few old old heads who thought this
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The first mention of it that I read, still have the First Edition:

The Connoisseur's Handbook of Marijuana Paperback – January 1, 1971
 
Charles U Farley

Charles U Farley

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budtoker221 said:
Farley about DJ using colchicine.. I think you might be mistaken about that.
I’ve read those posts from Vic about his blueberry on the BCGA archives and from what I remember he said he got the blueberry seeds from BCSC.. and that BCSC got their blueberry seeds from Sagarmatha.
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Lots of drama back in the day, I was an occasional participant there although I preferred Usenet. Sag supposedly stole DJ's shit and started marketing it and a virtual shit storm developed with each side accusing the other. The point I always made to Vic was who cares what it smells like if it's hard to germinate and bring to harvest.

Since I'm sure you've visited the site recently and I haven't in a _very_ long time, you may be right. I saved the quote via cut and paste, so I know the quote came directly from the site but can't speak to the context.
 
Charles U Farley

Charles U Farley

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MtRainDog said:
I think the real magic happened when Neville got a hold of these wherever they came from originally.
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You would be quite correct! In a quote from Nevil from the Mr.Nice forum that I used in the History of NL thread here on RIU... "everybody loved NL#2 until they realized it cut their yield in half." He felt the combination of #2 and #5 represented the very best of what NL Seattle Greg had developed.

I do too.
 
Charles U Farley

Charles U Farley

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
This is very interesting, so I googled and found this old thread. I think this is worth looking into. https://www.icmag.com/threads/the-use-of-colchicine.209637/

@ Charles U Farley - since I have some Northern Lights on the way, mind linking some more info on your “Southeastern Lights” project? I got NL on the brain this week, and I was reminded of an old thread of yours.
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Personally, I'd never consider using colchicine. I take care of my plants because they take care of me, so the thought of poisoning them with colchicine or anything else for that matter (including topping, fimming, etc.) just to try and make them "better" is abhorrent to me.

I don't promote, link, or pimp my site on this or any other forum. That way I know whoever visits the site has put least a little effort to find the info they want. But like I used to tell my kids, Google is your friend, so search the words SouthEast Lights cannabis and it should be the first result.
 
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MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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Charles, I agree on the colchicine. I just wanted to add validity to what you said earlier, regarding DJ short, because the article adds credence to the idea. I did a Google search a while back, looking the that strain. I looked again and still cannot find your website, just information about your business licensing.

I’m more curious about your strain/isolation you made you claimed was found at F6? Which NL did you isolate it from? It’s said that NL5 had Hawaiian/Thai, and I’m curious if that’s what you “unlocked“ or if you had any speculation as to what it might be in lineage, based on which NL it was.
 
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