Afganistan Collapse
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BudmanTX
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New Woodward/Costa book: Trump secret memo ordering withdrawal from Afghanistan blindsided national security team
Just eight days after the 2020 election, then-President Donald Trump was so determined to end the war in Afghanistan during his presidency that he secretly signed a memo to withdraw all troops by January 15, 2021, according to a new book, "Peril," from journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
www.cnn.com
injinji
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So true. President Joe Rob should have started getting those folks out five years ago. He's such a loser.
hanimmal
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nuskool89
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So you’re familiar with the atrocities committed by Japan and the decisions their leadership made that earned them the ass whooping of the century?
THIS is what history will remember:
Unbelievably Inhumane Japanese Torture Methods Used During World War II
Many nations committed many terrible acts during WWII. However, Japanese transgressions in that period stand out as especially horrific and brutal. Not only did the Japanese use inhuman methods as part of their interrogations, but full units were set up for experimenting on living human beings....
www.ranker.com
CunningCanuk
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The Japanese army was fighting for every inch in the island campaign. There was no reason to believe they would fight with less ferocity in an invasion of Japan. I’m sure Truman believed it would save a lot of lives and it definitely did. Unfortunately at the expense of many Japanese civilians.
The second bomb is all on Japanese leadership. They didn’t believe the US could do it again.
The second bomb is all on Japanese leadership. They didn’t believe the US could do it again.
nuskool89
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Well said
HGCC
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Its war, so you do what you have to to win, but it doesn't make any of it right. Nobody will ever really know people's intentions, but trying to punk Russia makes a lot of sense given that we headed into the cold war shortly thereafter.
The wiki does a decent job of summing it up:
en.m.wikipedia.org
The wiki does a decent job of summing it up:
Debate over the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
nuskool89
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Imagine the shiver down Hitler’s spine.
Or the second thought through every Soviet’s mind, “well, they’ve done it before” at any point of escalation during the Cold War.
It changed the entire course of history
HGCC
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Hitler was dead by then. Japan was on its last legs and many speculate they were going to surrender soon without the US having to invade as it was clear they had lost.
BudmanTX
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dunno about the hitler thing...there is a theory that hitler escaped and went to south american....that if you believe in that sorta thing
here
Adolf Hitler
Adolph Hitler (1889-1945) was leader of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party and Chancellor of Germany from 1933-1945; he led that country into World War II in 1939. The documents in this file range from 1933 to 1947, but primarily fall either in 1933 or between 1945 and 1947. In 1933, the FBI...
take a read
HGCC
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My cursory Google confirms that, but I guess there were already a lot of Germans floating around down there and they had strong ties as the contributing factor.
BudmanTX
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it is weird to me too.......seems like they had a secret pact or something....hard to say.....
something interesting....
CunningCanuk
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Who were these many speculators?
The Philippines, Iwo Jima and Okinawa were the bloodiest battles in the Pacific theatre so these speculations seem dubious to me.
Wiki isn’t a legitimate source.
HGCC
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Not quite sure what sort of source you are looking for there.
No clue on how legit this source is, but eh, i don't care enough to dig that deep.
https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender
No clue on how legit this source is, but eh, i don't care enough to dig that deep.
https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/debate-over-japanese-surrender