Advice from an electrician needed

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fr3d12

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jogofien said:
Hey, Im currently runnin a grow in my shed and im running it off the electricity from my house.
I was thinkin could I run a seperate line bypassin the meter straight to my shed and run the grow in my shed for free? I want to keep my house seperate and pay that bill as usual.
The reason i want to do this is im thinking of adding another 600w hps and dont want to draw any attention from the jump in my montly bill. I usually pay 80 euro a month, since i started growing that went up to 160 so im guessing it will jump to 240 euro if i add another light.
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They wont notice another 600w on your bill.
It's up to you if you want to bypass the meter but bear in mind the penalty is severe if you're caught,the 2 and only power co's in Ireland are semi state so they take that kinda thing very seriously.I know the cost is a rip off in Ireland but IMO it's better to pay it rather than risk the security of your current grow and never have peace of mind again it cos you'll be on the radar forever.
Good luck whatever you decide.
 
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fr3d12

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Grow4tho187 said:
To awnser your question , yes it is possible ... BUT really not worth having some electrician come and bypass ur meter to save 600watts ... its not an easy thing to do . No one will notice any thing , like buddy said a pc is 600 watts , ps3 350 watts , tv 125 watts , oven 5000watts , small heater 1500watts . Chek ur bill again its impossible a 600 watt will cost 80 euros
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It probably would,it's approximately 20 cent per KW/H.
There's only 2 power companies and both are semi state owned so with the lack of competition the charge is high plus they hiked it about 3 times in the last couple of years.
 
Grow4tho187

Grow4tho187

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spek9 said:
"Stupid electricians"? ...this coming from someone who can't spell or type proper sentences?

If you feel that the electrical companies are "thiefs" (sic), then instead of stealing, invest in your own infrastructure so you don't have to pay them. Very simple.

Just because the electrical companies are large monopolies doesn't give you the right to steal from them. How would you like it if someone came along and ripped off a good portion of your crop right at harvest time, just because someone thought you were a thief (and if you're stealing power, you are one).

-spek
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I'm french I dont give a shit bout building proper sentences dude , and how can some one be a thief by growing hes own product ? tell me ? Unless i was the only one in my region to have for sell and would be over pricing like power companys do.. then yes i would be a thief . Your (sentences) dont make any (sense) !
Stop trying to get the all time law abiding citizen awards , if your here 80% chances are your growing illegally ....
 
WeeGogs

WeeGogs

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i got caught with a grow house that was broken into and raided, unfortunately the police responded to the break in before i did and all the equipment was left behind 6 cool tubes fans temp computer pots with stumps the whole place was still running from the meter by-pass, i denied all knowledge and got a solicitor, the meter by pass was repaired immediately by the electric company but i had it feeding a seperate consumer unit with rcbo switches, i was charges with producing a class b drug after an interview where my only words through it were no comment. the charges were later dropped and the meter by pass was never mentioned by anybody except the person that i rented the house from.

you can only be charged with tampering with the suppliers meter which is his property which if you did not touch you are still technically paying for electricity for the rest of the property, in india they by pass cables in the street in full view there is nothing the electric company can do about it.

it is a civil matter the police will not get involved unless you touch the meter which is then a criminal matter.

but i must warn you any electric shock you receive at 240 volts over 50 amps will fucking kill you stone dead.
and these cables can carry a hundred amps no problem at your property.

by pass it after the main fuse.
 
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spek9

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Grow4tho187 said:
I'm french I dont give a shit bout building proper sentences dude , and how can some one be a thief by growing hes own product ? tell me ? Unless i was the only one in my region to have for sell and would be over pricing like power companys do.. then yes i would be a thief . Your (sentences) dont make any (sense) !
Stop trying to get the all time law abiding citizen awards , if your here 80% chances are your growing illegally ....
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I am also French (technically in part, but I'm Dutch for the most part).

Dude, I've been in jail multiple times and prison once (before I decided that being a retard wasn't working for me).

Personally, I don't care what you do. You asked for advice from electricians, and as one, I gave it.

Take it or leave it. The rest is up to you homie.

-spek

EDIT: Yes, I am *proudly* growing 'illegally'... if you consider the plants I grow naturally right next to my fucking tomatoes a crime! I am very active in the decriminalization of marijuana in general, and the fix of the Canadian government of medical marijuana. Understand homie, that I have people in my life who rely on this plant to survive.

I offered an opinion to you. It doesn't offend me if you don't take it.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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WeeGogs said:
i got caught with a grow house that was broken into and raided, unfortunately the police responded to the break in before i did and all the equipment was left behind 6 cool tubes fans temp computer pots with stumps the whole place was still running from the meter by-pass, i denied all knowledge and got a solicitor, the meter by pass was repaired immediately by the electric company but i had it feeding a seperate consumer unit with rcbo switches, i was charges with producing a class b drug after an interview where my only words through it were no comment. the charges were later dropped and the meter by pass was never mentioned by anybody except the person that i rented the house from.

you can only be charged with tampering with the suppliers meter which is his property which if you did not touch you are still technically paying for electricity for the rest of the property, in india they by pass cables in the street in full view there is nothing the electric company can do about it.

it is a civil matter the police will not get involved unless you touch the meter which is then a criminal matter.

but i must warn you any electric shock you receive at 240 volts over 50 amps will fucking kill you stone dead.
and these cables can carry a hundred amps no problem at your property.

by pass it after the main fuse.
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only 100 mA is required to kill a person, the mains voltage is high enough to scare you, but not high enough to do much damage
unless you have a very weak heart, or very thin or wet skin
you will receive the same 240AC shock , the amount of current that will flow through your body will be dependent on your skins resistance not the fuse box rating
skin resistance is typically around 20k ohms but does vary alot some folk are thick skinned
if you are a sweaty bastard it could be as low as 2k ohms

wear gloves when stealing electricity, sweaty palms are not good

peace :)
 
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spek9

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skunkd0c said:
only 100 mA is required to kill a person, the mains voltage is high enough to scare you, but not high enough to do much damage
unless you have a very weak heart, or very thin or wet skin
you will receive the same 240AC shock , the amount of current that will flow through your body will be dependent on your skins resistance not the fuse box rating
skin resistance is typically around 20k ohms but does vary alot some folk are thick skinned
if you are a sweaty bastard it could be as low as 2k ohms

wear gloves when stealing electricity, sweaty palms are not good

peace :)
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This is relatively accurate ;)

If you're down for splicing into the pre-meter electrical, you may literally be shaving the insulation off of 400-600A unregulated (residential area). Most expert crews will ensure this is spliced underground (usually through the foundation of the house) so that the hack isn't visible from the street.

If you're going to do this, wear the gloves, but also wear diapers in case of an accident.

I'm done advising saying don't do it. My other advice is if you DO bypass, do it underground, and don't ground yourself.

There isn't much leeway between 'oops' I missed.

-spek
 
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spek9

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skunkd0c said:
only 100 mA is required to kill a person, the mains voltage is high enough to scare you, but not high enough to do much damage
unless you have a very weak heart, or very thin or wet skin
you will receive the same 240AC shock , the amount of current that will flow through your body will be dependent on your skins resistance not the fuse box rating
skin resistance is typically around 20k ohms but does vary alot some folk are thick skinned
if you are a sweaty bastard it could be as low as 2k ohms

wear gloves when stealing electricity, sweaty palms are not good

peace :)
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Do not agree with all you say here.

If you're down for splicing into the pre-meter electrical, you may literally be shaving the insulation off of 400-600A unregulated (residential area). Most expert crews will ensure this is spliced underground (usually through the foundation of the house) so that the hack isn't visible from the street.

If you're going to do this, wear the gloves, but also wear diapers in case of an accident.

I'm done advising saying don't do it. My other advice is if you DO bypass, do it underground, and don't ground yourself.

There isn't much leeway between 'oops' I missed.

-spek

EDIT: I assure you that @240vAC, one slip-up won't matter whether you have a weak heart, particularly if you are dealing with unfettered power coming from the street. Gloves will not save you if you accidentally run 200A through you. Volts don't kill, Amps do. Perhaps I'm hearing your logic incorrectly.

PS: Current (Amps) will jump or arc if you are the closer ground... especially when you're dealing with Amperage that your street electricity transformers pass.
 
WeeGogs

WeeGogs

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skunkd0c said:
only 100 mA is required to kill a person, the mains voltage is high enough to scare you, but not high enough to do much damage
unless you have a very weak heart, or very thin or wet skin
you will receive the same 240AC shock , the amount of current that will flow through your body will be dependent on your skins resistance not the fuse box rating
skin resistance is typically around 20k ohms but does vary alot some folk are thick skinned
if you are a sweaty bastard it could be as low as 2k ohms

wear gloves when stealing electricity, sweaty palms are not good

peace :)
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your talking shit.

go on make my day

you tell someone it wont kill them on one hand and say wear rubber gloves on the other fuck off, you can buy gloves from a reputable web site for about £50 for a decent pair but you need to kneel on a mat too, but that wont stop it blowing up in your face and throwing you through the air if you maker a mistake, you say its safe go on touch it, we will post rip messages for you.
 
WeeGogs

WeeGogs

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spek9 said:
Do not agree with all you say here.

If you're down for splicing into the pre-meter electrical, you may literally be shaving the insulation off of 400-600A unregulated (residential area). Most expert crews will ensure this is spliced underground (usually through the foundation of the house) so that the hack isn't visible from the street.

If you're going to do this, wear the gloves, but also wear diapers in case of an accident.

I'm done advising saying don't do it. My other advice is if you DO bypass, do it underground, and don't ground yourself.

There isn't much leeway between 'oops' I missed.

-spek

EDIT: I assure you that @240vAC, one slip-up won't matter whether you have a weak heart, particularly if you are dealing with unfettered power coming from the street. Gloves will not save you if you accidentally run 200A through you. Volts don't kill, Amps do. Perhaps I'm hearing your logic incorrectly.

PS: Current (Amps) will jump or arc if you are the closer ground... especially when you're dealing with Amperage that your street electricity transformers pass.
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i by pass them between the main fuse and meter i cut the seal and remove the live and neutral tails from the main fuse and put two new ones in about a foot long i then use 5 connection lucy earth blocks to connect the new tails and the existing meter tails together, i then use 3 meter tails to connect it to another consumer unit in another room via the 5 connector blocks too and put the covers on. once i have connected it to the new consumer unit that is already in place i put the main fuse in.
do not answer the door to the meter man he will leave a card to let you know when he will come back you can remove it all during that time and buy new seals and pliers from ebay.
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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WeeGogs said:
your talking shit.

go on make my day

you tell someone it wont kill them on one hand and say wear rubber gloves on the other fuck off, you can buy gloves from a reputable web site for about £50 for a decent pair but you need to kneel on a mat too, but that wont stop it blowing up in your face and throwing you through the air if you maker a mistake, you say its safe go on touch it, we will post rip messages for you.
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You obviously do not understand ohms law, its very basic look it up
the gloves part was a joke you dozy cunt lol , where is your sense of humour ?
you have no understanding of electricity or electronics
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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spek9 said:
Do not agree with all you say here.

If you're down for splicing into the pre-meter electrical, you may literally be shaving the insulation off of 400-600A unregulated (residential area). Most expert crews will ensure this is spliced underground (usually through the foundation of the house) so that the hack isn't visible from the street.

If you're going to do this, wear the gloves, but also wear diapers in case of an accident.

I'm done advising saying don't do it. My other advice is if you DO bypass, do it underground, and don't ground yourself.

There isn't much leeway between 'oops' I missed.

-spek

EDIT: I assure you that @240vAC, one slip-up won't matter whether you have a weak heart, particularly if you are dealing with unfettered power coming from the street. Gloves will not save you if you accidentally run 200A through you. Volts don't kill, Amps do. Perhaps I'm hearing your logic incorrectly.

PS: Current (Amps) will jump or arc if you are the closer ground... especially when you're dealing with Amperage that your street electricity transformers pass.
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you seem to be in a bit of a muddle with your volts and your amps

for current to jump as you put it, this would require a high voltage to overcome the resistance of air
cracking a piezo crystal will do this something around 1-3 KV
the potential current that flows is dependent on the RESISTANCE of the load, this current can only flow if the resistance is low enough
and the voltage is high enough this is not my opinion it is ohms law lol
on very wet days the air resistance lowers, which would reduce the amount of voltage required for current to flow though air
the potential current that flows is limited by the resistance of the load, this is very basic ohms law

at the bottom of your post you repeat the same mistake, are you really an electrician that does not understand the basic concept of ohms law ?

i must confess i did work as an electronics engineer in a previous life, and as us electronics engineers
say " we shit electricians for breakfast"
so if you are bullshitting here, its time to come clean lol ?

remember V/R=I
 
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Kingharrod

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Why steal, getting caught doing that will get you more time in jail than growing unless your legal, but doesn't sound like it
 
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WestSide Ukiah

Member
skunkd0c said:
i must confess i did work as an electronics engineer in a previous life, and as us electronics engineers
say " we shit electricians for breakfast"
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Oh, is that what you guys say? LoL!

The electrical engineers I deal with are pretty good at drawing neato looking symbols on the E sheets. But I see these guys walking around the job site and I seriously doubt most of them could even handle wearing a tool belt all day; let alone run conduit, set switchgear and land a bunch of fat paralleled feeders.

The Electricians/Electrical engineers thing is a symbiotic relationship, but if push came to shove... The world can get by without electrical engineers long before it could get by without electricians.

Just say'n :mrgreen:
 
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