Advice for a beginner...

Cold$moke · Mar 15, 2018

Promix and peat are hydrophobic coco is the exact opposite it will suck water up.like a sponge even when its bone dry.

I prefer some dry cycles especially when trying to establish roots.

Note that dry doesnt have to mean bone dry lol

But i have taken coco plants there too on occasion and asside from some wilting they can take it.

I used to cut my coco with perlite so it would dry faster .

But it also means you have to water more frequently as well

My last coco grow my pots where in stages.

Seeds was 50/50 coco perlite then they got uppoted to 70/30 then the final pot was 100 coco.

It lets the root system build as it grows so its not waterlogged as a seedling and dry as an adult

ClassicT · Mar 15, 2018

Jack Skellington said:
My rapid rooters just arrived in the mail do you use a tray or keep it in its final pot (sorry if that sounds stupid)

I put them in those little seedling trays just so they don’t fall over. I love rapid rooters, like I said, they’re foolproof.

This pic was taken right before I transplanted to 4” plastic pots. I stick with seedling soil (finely ground peat, perlite & vermiculite) for the 4”, then next transplant into a pro-mix with worm castings. I’m going with super soil next grow, but that’s another topic.

Beachwalker · Mar 15, 2018

chiqifella said:
Substrates that performed better than coco for me;

Sand, hydroton, bagged dirt, pro mix, styrofoam, insulation, gravel, wood chips, agar, lava rocks, air bubbles, nft, fog.
most troublesome substrate seen on RIU=coco
any questions?

Couldn't agree more!

Budzbuddha · Mar 15, 2018

Ghost of Davy Jones said:
If you had to pay extra you had the wrong girl. lol

At least there was no Adam's Apple.

Jack Skellington · Mar 16, 2018

All right folks that is it blueberry fell over this morning im pronouncing her dead it time to recalibrate the whole tent and take all your guys advice. Big thanks to everyone especially Cold$moke,beachwalker,classicT and project info if i forgot anyone who contributed useful advice i apologize i will start a new thread when i have new genetics new medium disinfected tent ect.

Cold$moke · Mar 16, 2018

Condolences

Cold$moke · Mar 16, 2018

It could have fallen over due to a lanky stem

Was is shriveled or just bent over?

You might be able to set it up with a chopstick to support it.

Post a pic.

I know it sucks but if you can nurse it through it will give you good exp

Unless its shrivled then shes a goner

Jack Skellington · Mar 16, 2018

Cold$moke said:
It could have fallen over due to a lanky stem

Was is shriveled or just bent over?

You might be able to set it up with a chopstick to support it.

Post a pic.

I know it sucks but if you can nurse it through it will give you good exp

Unless its shrivled then shes a goner

Yeah she was just bent over not shriveled but for it to be supporting its self the day before then just to fall over i didn't think there was any hope especially since autos dont do stress well i just scrapped the whole thing but youve been very helpful and informative if youd like ill tag you when im back in action i spent most the day cleaning and ordering new medium ect. So probably be germing within 2-3 weeks

Potmetal · Mar 19, 2018

Coco and perlite hempy buckets. The 6/9 nute mix, occasional calmag has been my goto from the beginning. I do pitch some myco in as I plant, but other than that, just tap water. Any issues I've had were environmental. Sorry it's not working out for ya. Keep trying. You'll find out what you grow good with.

projectinfo · Mar 19, 2018

Potmetal said:
Coco and perlite hempy buckets. The 6/9 nute mix, occasional calmag has been my goto from the beginning. I do pitch some myco in as I plant, but other than that, just tap water. Any issues I've had were environmental. Sorry it's not working out for ya. Keep trying. You'll find out what you grow good with.

Myco is better for soil

Beneficial bacteria is better for hydro.

Can't remember where I heard that befor.

coco is hydro.

Might be something youd be interested in. Might be true haha

Potmetal · Mar 19, 2018

projectinfo said:
Myco is better for soil

Beneficial bacteria is better for hydro.

Can't remember where I heard that befor.

coco is hydro.

Might be something youd be interested in. Might be true haha

Perhaps true, I dunno. It works for me. I guess I did forget to add that I do add hydroguard, just not every time I water.

Beachwalker · Mar 19, 2018

Jack Skellington said:
Yeah she was just bent over not shriveled but for it to be supporting its self the day before then just to fall over i didn't think there was any hope especially since autos dont do stress well i just scrapped the whole thing but youve been very helpful and informative if youd like ill tag you when im back in action i spent most the day cleaning and ordering new medium ect. So probably be germing within 2-3 weeks

When they seem a little lanky good idea to stake them, I use 8 or 10" wooden skewers like you use for shish kabobs, some people use chopsticks, sometimes I'll also bury them a little deeper too, better luck with the next plant

Cold$moke · Mar 19, 2018

Beachwalker said:
When they seem a little lanky good idea to stake them, I use 8 or 10" wooden skewers like you use for shish kabobs, some people use chopsticks, sometimes I'll also bury them a little deeper too, better luck with the next plant

Agree and they are cheap for a big pack

Roger A. Shrubber · Mar 20, 2018

coco isn't hydro, it's just not soil. you can't ph it like dwc, you don't feed it like dwc. it's a hybrid, it has portions of both, and things of its own that neither has. call a spade a spade, but coco is a club, not a spade

Cold$moke · Mar 20, 2018

Agree with everything you said Rodger

Ill add i treated it like hydro but with an adjusted ph and dry cycles

Roger A. Shrubber · Mar 20, 2018

Cold$moke said:
Agree with everything you said Rodger

Ill add i treated it like hydro but with an adjusted ph and dry cycles

pretty much. some people never let it dry out, and some people water more like its soil, both seem to work pretty well, as long as you stick with it

Cold$moke · Mar 20, 2018

I did

i would feed once a week and just hit it with plain water when it dried in between worked great

Then again lots of peeps do constants with great results too differnt strokes right

projectinfo · Mar 20, 2018

I feed 3 times a day for a minute, I keep them soaked.

1212ham · Mar 24, 2018

Roger A. Shrubber said:
cheap coco can have a couple of problems, they collect it along beaches where coconut trees grow, so if they don't process it well, it can be full of salt. and they usually won't charge it, so it will really suck up the magnesium.

Is botanicare cocogro in hempy buckets a good plan?

Roger A. Shrubber · Mar 24, 2018

1212ham said:
Is botanicare cocogro in hempy buckets a good plan?

yeah, botanicare is a good company. just be aware that you only want to use 20% coco or so, the rest should be perlite. any more coco than that and you start to lose the benefits of the hempy bucket, and it just becomes a pot with a high drain. which isn't a great idea.

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