Advanced Nutrients (very confused - why same NPK ratio throughout grow!?)

I realize some of the community seem to hate AN for various reasons that may be valid or not, but for the purposes of this thread please hold the rhetoric aside and help me understand what seems like a fundamental concern. [Of course if the answer to my question requires throwing shade have at it lol]

AN Grow-Micro-Bloom does *not* vary the NPK ratio of its base nutrients throughout the grow. For the entire grow its just 1:1:1 of the Micro:Grow:Bloom. Now they do have extra amendments of course that are pricey (and hence some shade) - ** but am I crazy to think that the base nutrients should still be addressing the fact that the plants have different ideal ratio in veg vs bloom** ? What am I missing here? Are they sacrificing optimizing their recipe for sake of keeping it simple?

I feel like I must be missing something obvious?

It could be they want you to buy the 47 other products they offer? Not sure. I haven't ran the 3 part (they got some weird name for it) but I have ran Sensigrow/bloom. Good yield, quality, and appeal but I didn't like how easy it built salts in the coco and on the pots and flood table.

Unfortunately, as stated it seems if you want certain amendments in your grow they are offered in bottles that cost even more money to “ combine “ to get a more complete feed. Not to mention the stupid cartoon labels and hype. There are other manufacturers that offer
2 - 3 part mixes both liquid and powdered for use that is easier and you are not paying for colorful bottles for the shelf.

Powdered - GH / Megacrop / Jacks/ Dr. Earth and others are great choices. Simple mix requirements and use.
( I like GH MAXIBLOOM powder ) which will run plants start to finish on one bag. Maxigrow is their “ veg “ version which kills on longer veg plants / mother and can be used up to flower . Megacrop is another one and done and may need a calmag bump but is a good choice. DR. Earth premium gold is another stellar dry fertilizer ( soil mostly ) as is Flower Girl. Jack’s is of course a very popular brand.

You will find powdered Nutes much better at being shelf stable as some liquid brands tend to separate as it ages. Sorry Dynagro.

Liquid - GH flora trio and similar . Fox Farm Trio can be overused and salt up your shit fast and would be the bottom my list.

AN offers bottles after bottles and love the growers wallet .

Im sure their are growers here to help with choices depending on what style of grow and medium you plan to use.

Haven’t cracked mine yet so I can’t praise or criticize just yet lol I have just about the whole line except kushy kush and bud ignitor.

HydroKid239 said:

Haven’t cracked mine yet so I can’t praise or criticize just yet lol I have just about the whole line except kushy kush and bud ignitor.

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Let us know, it will be the RIU official review of AN 3 part lol

Edit: AN 45 part if you are missing those 2.

I just finished my first grow and I used just the 3 part (phPerfect). I ran it around 75% of Recommended dosage and used a feed, feed, water schedule. Only extra I used was “bigbud” for about 2 weeks during Flower. Also used a CalMag (CalMax) not an AN product.

Overall my plants seemed to stay healthy and I yielded 500 grams in a grow which started first 8 weeks (5 veg 3 flower) in a 4x2 with 135W HLG and then finished in a 4x4 with 550W HLG. All of this is to say that things seemed ok and without spending a lot of cash on extras.

but as i’m into my second grow I started wondering how can I do “even better” next time. My philosophy was NOT to ask can I go buy more stuff. That’s not my style. But I did realize that cannabis wants different ratio and hence the rabbit hole I am down.

what I am parsing is that they likely keep the ph perfect line over simple on purpose? At lease the Sensi AB line has a veg and bloom which presumably have different ratios.

The Gram Reaper said:

Let us know, it will be the RIU official review of AN 3 part lol

Edit: AN 45 part if you are missing those 2.

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I plan on running a journal.

I've never used AN base nutes, but I like their Big Bud and Kushie Kush. I cut my base by 20% in week 2 when I start using the Big Bud (at 7.6ml/gal), and keep it that way through week 5. Then I use 1tsp/5 gal MOAB + 2.5ml/gal AN Kushie Kush and cut my base by 1/2 in week 6 and 7. This is the old MOAB/Hammerhead recipe, but with Kushie Kush instead of Hammerhead. It has the same NPK ratio, and seems to be working to me. I'll have to snap some fresh pics.

[edited] I originally put 1tsp/gal moab, but it's actually 1tsp/5gal. Sorry, don't put 1tsp/gal!

I have the three part and it has worked great!

Keefazoid said:

I have the three part and it has worked great!

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How much did u feed them per feeding? and also can you tell me if you used all 3 thru the whole grow.. or did you taper off on any of them in flower please? I have the same 3 part.. haven't opened them yet, and haven't had the space to pop the new beans yet. Just taking notes along the way so I can make my second grow better.

Any info you can help with is appreciated. I just don't wanna over do it using a new base set.

You just open a can of worms Alot of advanced nutrient haters in here are I use the three part ph perfect before no problems now I’m Using advanced connoisseur grow and bloom my plants love it ph never on point because I use 50-70% recommended my plants don’t mind at all

Tonycannavis said:

You just open a can of worms Alot of advanced nutrient haters in here are I use the three part ph perfect before no problems now I’m Using advanced connoisseur grow and bloom my plants love it ph never on point because I use 50-70% recommended my plants don’t mind at all

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I hear you. I think there's a reason why AN has so many bottles... maybe to have more control over what the plant gets. I'm taking notes lol I have connoisseur bloom A & B... gotta get the Grow set. I have all the other bottles too except kushy kush.. bud ignitor, revive, wet betty, and ancient earth. I use botanicare Calmag. Gonna get their version tho. The sensi calmag extra. I believe it has a lot more in it.

HydroKid239 said:

I hear you. I think there's a reason why AN has so many bottles... maybe to have more control over what the plant gets. I'm taking notes lol I have connoisseur bloom A & B... gotta get the Grow set. I have all the other bottles too except kushy kush.. bud ignitor, revive, wet betty, and ancient earth. I use botanicare Calmag. Gonna get their version tho. The sensi calmag extra. I believe it has a lot more in it.

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The reason is to make more money. Plants are just like humans and require essential macro and micronutrients. AN is the equivalent of buying a complete multi-vitamin and separating each part to sell individual bottles.

HydroKid239 said:

I hear you. I think there's a reason why AN has so many bottles... maybe to have more control over what the plant gets. I'm taking notes lol I have connoisseur bloom A & B... gotta get the Grow set. I have all the other bottles too except kushy kush.. bud ignitor, revive, wet betty, and ancient earth. I use botanicare Calmag. Gonna get their version tho. The sensi calmag extra. I believe it has a lot more in it.

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Only additives I use cal mag because I use rain water rhino skin makes it stronger voodoo juice b52 and I only use sesizyne when I feed only water to clean roots I feed 3 times then plain water but everyone Have a different opinion whatever works for you many ways to get to the finish line

Tonycannavis said:

Only additives I use cal mag because I use rain water rhino skin makes it stronger voodoo juice b52 and I only use sesizyne when I feed only water to clean roots I feed 3 times then plain water but everyone Have a different opinion whatever works for you many ways to get to the finish line

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I use RO water so it's pretty bland lol

From what Ive read the Correct Base Formula for weed is 1-1-2. Actually 19.5-20-39.. Tomatoes like almost the same formula.

To achieve this in Chemicals Hydro Gardens makes a 4-20-39.

Then add Calcium Nitrate is added.. 15.5-0-0. Which brings it up to 19.5-20-39

Then Epsom Salts/Magnesium Sulfate is added for Magnesium, and Sulfur.

The above Base- Calcium Nitrate, and Epsom Salts will start with LOW PPM, but ever increasing PPM amounts from seedling-Mid Bloom.

Hydro Gardens has been making Plant Specific fertilizer since the 70s, along withgeneral fertilizer, and greenhouses, and supplies since around 1965.

Theyve done extensive Tissue Analysis on hundreds of plants, and make formulas for all of them.

Also though it is Chemicals, that still doesnt change the fact that weed likes a 1-1-2 nutrient ratio in the soil, as an Optimal Environment.

The big thing is using chemicals is the PPM in the different stages ect. In soil one can have the correct ratio, and the plant will use what it needs, and no more.

But from seedling- mid flowering the plant needs an ever increasing PPM of the Base Formula, Calcium Nitrate, along with Magnesium Sulfate.

Say one has an 8 weeks flowering strain.

After Flip, Base formula/Calcium Nitrate is still being fed and is slowly increasing PPM.
2.5 weeks after flip Mono Potassium Phosphate.... 0-52-34 is added to the normal feeding from weeks 2.5-4.

Then in week 5 keep feeding the normal feeding, in small increases, and then increase the amount of Epsom Salts.

The Sulfur in Epsom Salts ( Magnesium Sulfate ) is what is a main chemical needed to produce Terpenes

Increase Epsom Salts in weeks 5-6.

Then all chemicals are cut back by 50% for the last 2 weeks.

If growing organically all you have to do is make sure the plant has everything it needs, and give top dressings/Teas of specific ratios.

I myself like Peruvian Sea Bird Guano. Veg/Flowering formulas. Azomite, Kelp, Oyster Shells, Biochar, but have been mainly using chemicals for a while. In Promix BX.

HydroKid239 said:

How much did u feed them per feeding? and also can you tell me if you used all 3 thru the whole grow.. or did you taper off on any of them in flower please? I have the same 3 part.. haven't opened them yet, and haven't had the space to pop the new beans yet. Just taking notes along the way so I can make my second grow better.

Any info you can help with is appreciated. I just don't wanna over do it using a new base set.

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4 ml of each per liter. Throughout the whole adult life cycle. About to flush these last two weeks.

Budzbuddha said:

Unfortunately, as stated it seems if you want certain amendments in your grow they are offered in bottles that cost even more money to “ combine “ to get a more complete feed. Not to mention the stupid cartoon labels and hype. There are other manufacturers that offer
2 - 3 part mixes both liquid and powdered for use that is easier and you are not paying for colorful bottles for the shelf.

Powdered - GH / Megacrop / Jacks/ Dr. Earth and others are great choices. Simple mix requirements and use.
( I like GH MAXIBLOOM powder ) which will run plants start to finish on one bag. Maxigrow is their “ veg “ version which kills on longer veg plants / mother and can be used up to flower . Megacrop is another one and done and may need a calmag bump but is a good choice. DR. Earth premium gold is another stellar dry fertilizer ( soil mostly ) as is Flower Girl. Jack’s is of course a very popular brand.

You will find powdered Nutes much better at being shelf stable as some liquid brands tend to separate as it ages. Sorry Dynagro.

Liquid - GH flora trio and similar . Fox Farm Trio can be overused and salt up your shit fast and would be the bottom my list.

AN offers bottles after bottles and love the growers wallet .

Im sure their are growers here to help with choices depending on what style of grow and medium you plan to use.

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I haven't used any pH down or fertilizer all season
and the buddy of mine I'm just staring at me fertilizer he got me the flowing fertilizer and the budding. how should I feed him should I give him a ton of it right away or just do what the directions say

thay are between 6 and 1/2 and 10 ft tall how much fertilizer should I be giving them each. 5 gallons of the fox from picture to one plant