Admission i was wrong ...need some help to ensure decent yeild

hello all



well i got the tent .......4x4x6.8..............i was using cfl bubs .........bad idea the amount i would need to cover 5 plants the wattz are over a t5 set up


given this i broke down and ordered a t5 2 foot 8 bulb 25x24x2.5...mix spec ..............i am looking at getting some bulbs and i see there are so many choice


in a t5 what does one guy want for grow
2000 lumens a bulb
5000 lumens a bulb
7200 lumens a bulb

all of those are grow 6500k .....................second ? for flowering do i want the same lumen amount or lower......i know 2700/3000k

get 4 of the 7200 lumen 6500k bulbs and 4 of the 7200 lumen 2700k bulbs

use 2700k warm white cfls for side lighting

kk

and i am asumming i should alternate them 65.. 27... 65...27...65...27...65..27

or do u know a better combo ..........i am doing auto plants so photo period not a factor just 20/4 during flowering

6500k is the spectrum you want for veg,2700-3000k is what you want for bloom.
you know this already tho.

you can mix in a couple 5000k bulbs to try to get a "fuller spectrum"
even though just 6500k and 2700-3000k is already "full spectrum"

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you can also add one or two 14w cfl sunblaster 'green' bulbs.
its around 4000k,people say its not worth running,but it will affect you plant growth slightly.

also in the flowering stage look into a UVB reptile bulb or two,it will increase your THC production

well the only reason i am going multi .....is i was told by several different ppl that auto love multi since they are autos ......they do there own thing and just soak it up

goal is to get about 28 grams to 40 grams from each plant ............if i can do this i have a real chance of opening up a clinic when the laws here change ...this is proof of concept to several ppl willing to invest but they need to see a end production first

justugh said:

well the only reason i am going multi .....is i was told by several different ppl that auto love multi since they are autos ......they do there own thing and just soak it up

goal is to get about 28 grams to 40 grams from each plant ............if i can do this i have a real chance of opening up a clinic when the laws here change ...this is proof of concept to several ppl willing to invest but they need to see a end production first

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Lol no offense but you are in lala land......About the 28-40 dry off each plant and about the clinic....I currently have a grow going with the same light, it will give a good yield but not what you are talking.If you want yield cut back the number of plants to one or two and do a scrog-You will get big numbers then.

With a 2 footer you migh,might. Be able to get one plant under there that will get 28-40g

Id run a veg 6500 until they show sex,I did not read whether they were fems.when they are into full flower id splitt the spectrum while vegging Id run as much blue as possible.I run two 1000 watt HPS but I also run a 400 watt MH to get the right spectrum.It simply makes my buds harder

the t5 should put out 16000k lumens ......it is extacly half the size of the whole tent ....ie one foot on each side that is not directly under the light

i was going to use 3 power strips and do the cfl rigging .......each of those 3 lights add up to 5000 lumen x3 is 15000

i was told the maxium amount of lumens u should ever use is 60k.............right now i have 31k little more then half .........autos do not get about 60/70 cms in soil ....so i am only using 1/3 of my height

the reflective material i have is 97% effect according to specs i was given

my seeds

Mate. There is no maximum to lumens. That's ridiculous. The more the better!
And many people have had 4ft + autos in soil also. As previously explained you will get probably get 40g across ALL your plants if your lucky.

u can always have to much of something ........to many lumens can cuase bleaching ( plant loses it color to protect it self white reflects )........i admit this is my frist time doing this kind of plant but i use to do a gardens/land scaping ...................i have a light meter for plants.......i am starting mine off in Low+ with in a week of growth they are at normal like lvl in 2 weeks it is time to move the lights up so it low+ again and they move up


i have 2 plants now at the 4th branching in 8 days from being planted in the pot using this method .......smaller box tho and it is only 5000 lumens

Got any pictures?

Yes there is light bleaching I agree. But I doubt your going to do it with T5's. think it's most likely within 4-6 inches or a 600/1000w hps. Think how many lumens the sun puts out! We could never replicate that amount indoors yet plants are fine outside?

i count that first baby leaves as one then 2 and 3 4th is starting to come out now....that was taken about 10 mins ago

this is after water only then 1 light feeding at 1/5 str seedling mix from orgainc hydro line

according to the metter they are right at normal light for plant lvl

oh there is a varible that u did not take in account about outside vs inside

outside u got clouds and storm days where the light is limited .....then u got shade from taller plants the wind blowing that around so light shade light shade effect ........given this u can figure anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the days it is not getting as much light as they do inside

then u have the hours of light to factor in too

Talking of opening a clinic, possible investors if your T5 grow goes well??? Really?

In your tent you could either go with a 400w or 600w HID system.

400w gives off 55,000 lumens
600w gives off 95,000 lumens

Yes light bleaching can occur with bright lights. I have experienced this myself with a 600w when my air cooled rig could touch colas. But at 6"-10" away no bleaching.

Have you counted how many watts you will be using? If its near 600w of cfl/T5 then it would be more cost effective to use an hps and yield considerably more due to more powerful penetration and a greater number of plants able to be grown under the light.


400w could grow 4-6 autos easily with 40g per plant.
600w could grow 6-8 autos easily with 40g per plant.


No one is saying you won't get a harvest. They're saying you'll be lucky to get 80g from your 2 autos total.


J

You admit you were wrong and instead of going out and getting some real lights you get a different type of flourescent and you are talking about opening a clinic? If you cant even afford, or be bothered with investing in lights, how are you ever going to invest and put in the work of opening a clinic?

the ppl that want to invest want to see a final product .............i am doing this out of my pocket hence why the cfl to t5 ...............if i had 2000 bucks to blow i would hire someone set the whole place up plus get the eqiupment under there name and still have 300 left for seeds .............this set up here will end up just being a personal once i finish ( a plant a month for 1 oz that is all i need )

i am knowen as the amish fucker in my area from the way i look and carry myself ...............ppl trust me becuase of this and are willing to invest and help me out .....i been using the profits from my still to build this up


watts are still low 250 t5 2 inline fans at 23 and if i go 9 cfls at 24........i am just under 600 wattz that is veg lvl it drops almost 100 for flowering

admitting i was wrong on cfls in a tent of that size a 2x2 it would work out but a 4x4 it cost more in wattz to cover the area with cfl then it does with a t5


and if i get 80 off the plants i am a happy guy .....those 2 u sawl are the first ones i started i have 4 others getting ready to pop out and start there jobs

80 grams to me personally is 3 months of free smoke gram a day sometimes none

Admit you're wrong and buy some HPS lamps for your 4x4 tent.

2x400W HPS lamps would give you 50W/sqft which would be perfect.

Even if you have 800W of flourescent, you won't get the same flowering results as 800W of HPS. It'll take longer to flower and give you airy buds.

Use your flouros to make a mother/clone tent and maybe to supplement the HPS in the flowering tent.

at this point i am commited with what i got unless u want to lend me the money to get the set of lights with more powerful fans and keep eatting this month

if i can make a product out of this half assed hobbled together system .....then that is more then proof to the ppl and with a corect set up i could do hell of alot better


i got the reserach under my belt theroy ideas now find out if i have the nack ..............i picked auto plants they are going to do what they are going to do i just have to make the ground and light best i can