Add nutrients during every feeding?

Add nutes every feeding?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • Total voters
    17

Calicode

Active Member
Why would i water her without nutrients?

I water twice a day, 1 gallon each time. she's slowed down her drinking now in flowering but shes still drinking a gallon a day.

give her 200% of her total capacity, nutrient PH controlled water every time u water. the first 100% of what she needs will fill the COCO and mix with the old shit she already picked through and didnt wanna eat any more from, the 2nd 100% will fully replace ur coco and should be a 1/2 gallon runoff each time (if ur doing twice a day 1 gallon each time per 7gal coco pot)

get wut i mean? sorry I got my afterwork blaze goin and its hard to focus
Trust me I understand lol
 

Calicode

Active Member
When I used ffof and their nutes I would water only for the 1st 4 weeks then feed occasionally maybe every 3rd or 4th watering with Big bloom (I'm assuming you are using ff ferts).
Then I would feed Tiger Bloom for the 1st time at 1/2 dose about 1 or 2 weeks into flowering.
I would probably use Tiger bloom and big bloom every 3rd or 4th watering during flowering.
I don't use those nutes anymore, I have switched to dry organic amendments but had good grows using those nutes in the past.
I also use General Organics cal/mag+. because I use ro water. I use about 1/4 tsp per gal of cal mag every other watering.
Some plant demand more calcium than I use so it's about growing the same strain over and over until you dial in it's demands. Not all MJ plants have the same needs.
Your plants look over fed, looks like nitrogen tox. I would go water only for a bit.
Make sure you are letting them dry out some before watering.
How do toy think they're looking now? I think they're turning lighter. But I need to continue to flush for maybe at least two more waters? For the first feeding I flushed both plants with three gallons of plain water. Second time I flushed both with two gallons of plain and half gallon each with king kola and honey chome (1/4) of what was recommended. The top two pics are the most recent.
 

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Calicode

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honestly that's pretty weak if it were me I would only use king kola at this point from now till harvest also I would add a good microbe not root wizard to expensive for how much you use. I suggest microbe life photosynthesis plus or there fruit and vegetable yield enhancer. if you have the money for it mammoth p is fantastic. if it and microbes is all that you feed then it is safe to feed every time if you must but I would only every other time
What do you think I should do now bro?
 

andy s

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How do toy think they're looking now? I think they're turning lighter. But I need to continue to flush for maybe at least two more waters? For the first feeding I flushed both plants with three gallons of plain water. Second time I flushed both with two gallons of plain and half gallon each with king kola and honey chome (1/4) of what was recommended. The top two pics are the most recent.
Because the plants were nitrogen toxic.
i wouldnt keep flushing i would just feed clean water with no nitrogen not all the plants looked like that
 

Dynamo626

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Honey chome is just sugar. The lable clames to be a flavor and aroma enhancer. Studdies have shown that no complex and very very little simple sugar is pulled in through the roots. So little in fact that it is a waste of money to feed sugar to plants with the hope that your product will be sweeter. Sugar does in fact feed the microbes. As for king kola it is fairly weak in terms of npk. Would think a full dose wouldnt hurt anything and certanly wount add enough nitrogen to contribute to tox. Only 2 ppm of nitrogen per 5 mil in a gallon. With your lighting i dont know how much good it will do. Maby on your next grow do a side by side half with king kola half with out. Then you can see if it is worth the money to add
 

andy s

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Honey chome is just sugar. The lable clames to be a flavor and aroma enhancer. Studdies have shown that no complex and very very little simple sugar is pulled in through the roots. So little in fact that it is a waste of money to feed sugar to plants with the hope that your product will be sweeter. Sugar does in fact feed the microbes. As for king kola it is fairly weak in terms of npk. Would think a full dose wouldnt hurt anything and certanly wount add enough nitrogen to contribute to tox. Only 2 ppm of nitrogen per 5 mil in a gallon. With your lighting i dont know how much good it will do. Maby on your next grow do a side by side half with king kola half with out. Then you can see if it is worth the money to add
it helps the plant in many ways and they do take up sugars, carbs, ect. you basically enhance the root zone and microbial life in the soil and feed them in return they feed your plant.
i would keep using king kola and honeycomb as directed. ive used the product and have seen what it can do or what it does. king kola has plenty of what your plants need for flower but its part of a line, the 3 part which has a bloom feed ? instead of everything in one bottle they break it up to make money but in a way its still needed when using that line. no line will give you everything you need in one bottle or no money would be left to be made and some dont react well together when kept all in one bottle.
people say you can just simply use bloom and get to harvest with good results, some people dont add nutes at all just soil and water not even ph'd and still produce good looking plants so you tell me, should people just not buy anything for their plants? or should they use the line as directed and tweak it as needed?
the point is, youll get a decent harvest if you have a good enough environment for them to thrive in, even if you dont buy anything at all. second, youll buy products that have whatever in them and your plant may only use one thing or compound in that nute. give them what they need in your eyes i guess lol. conditions lighting water soil all play an effect on how nutes are being used by your plant so thats what determines your outcome what may work for someone else may not work for everyone. what hasnt worked for some or some that have seen no difference, may work for others. and to say it does nothing, can you see into the plant or soil and what its doing? or just what your plant is showing you on the outside? bc ive seen some shitty plants still produce dank ass buds and whose to say it wouldve been any better if the plants were grown better
 

Dynamo626

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Expert Eye: Carbohydrates and Amino Acid Products
By Urban Garden Magazine ⋅ July 12, 2010 ⋅ Email This Post ⋅ Print This Post ⋅ Post a comment
Filed Under amino, amino acid, amino acids, aminos, carbohydrates, carbs, casparian, casparian strip, Issue 11, molasses, phloem, Plant Nutrition, Roots, Steve Berlow, steven berlow, sugar, xylem
What’s the big deal with carbohydrate and amino acid products these days? Are they being used or misused by growers? We asked Steve Berlow, a research consultant for Florigen Laboratories in BC, Canada to give us his insider perspective on the rise of carbohydrate and amino acid based products in the marketplace in recent years…

The hydroponics and indoor gardening industry is rapidly changing and evolving. Recently the pace of that change has become quite staggering with new products seeming to appear almost daily – nowhere is this more prominent than in the field of plant nutrition. In the last few years the hydroponic nutrient market has progressed from offering base nutrients and some phosphorus flowering boosters through to today’s market where a staggering (some might say ‘bewildering’) array of new technologies and theories are promoted.
Two product types that have been causing a lot of chatter in the growing community are carbohydrate (sugar) supplements and amino acid based additives. And for good reason. Sugars and amino acids are both interesting concepts in the context of plant nutrition and many experts consider them to be on the cutting edge. All sounds pretty exciting doesn’t it? But before you rush off and buy that next fancy-labelled bottle of sugary or amino acid goodness, you really should get your head around some basic facts concerning these substances and the ability of plants to make use of them.

Carbohydrates – Are They Really ‘Candy’ For Your Plants?
You’ve probably heard the hype about carbs: “Feed your plants supplemental carbs and turn them into Olympic Gold Medal winners!”
So a grower walks into their local store, decides to buy a big bottle of some sugary carb supplement, with the intention of deploying it on his next res change. The notion is that the plants will suck up the carbs and get a boost of ‘pure energy’ without having to go through the hassle of producing them as a product of photosynthesis.
Errrr, sorry to spoil the big carb party, but it’s not actually that straight forward. The carbohydrate supplement is definitely a case where theory got ahead of practice. In theory providing your plants with an array of simple and complex carbohydrates seems like a great idea. We all know that plants, driven by light energy and photosynthesis, produce sugar and starch. The plant uses this for growth and development. So the theory goes – if we supplement our nutrient solution with those very same sugars and starches, then the plant won’t have to make them all for itself and can therefore devote its energy to other things – such as making big flowers and fruits! Alternatively, if the plant is undergoing a period of physical stress (such as flowering or fruiting) then the supplementation of those sugars and starches will enable the plant to grow and develop at warp speed as we have removed a limiting factor. Unfortunately all this seems feasible in a text book but, as usual, these things are rarely as simple in real life.
Why not? Well, put simply, it’s one thing to supplement a plant with carbs in a lab, quite another to do so in vivo (real life – real situation.) You can inject carbs directly into a stem or a leaf, for instance, using laboratory techniques, but surely the crunch question is: can a plant uptake carbohydrates through its roots? I have been involved in research that aimed to determine whether plants could actually uptake and utilize carbohydrates and, if so, what could they uptake and utilize. Carbohydrates range in size from very small, simple structures like glucose or fructose through to enormously large, complex molecules like polysaccharides. So – did I find that plants could uptake simple and complex carbohydrates? Other than some very simple, and small carbohydrates (e.g. plain table sugar or fructose / glucose) plants essentially cannot take up other more complex carbohydrates through their root zone. Why? It’s because of a unique little barrier in the roots called the Casparian strip – complete with his sidekick the endodermis. Essentially the Casparian strip forces everything, and that includes carbohydrates, through the endodermis to be actively selected or rejected for uptake.

Ready For The Science Bit? Introducing The Casparian Strip – Your Plant’s Very Own Homeland Security!
Inside the roots of your plants sits a very innocuous and extremely important band of cells – called the Casparian Strip. I like to think of this as a sort of “security guard” for your plant. It is used to block the passive flow of materials ( travelling between the cells), such as water and solutes into the main water carrying columns of the plant – the xylem and phloem. By doing this it forces everything to actively pass through or be rejected by the endodermis. Once within the epidermis, water passes through the cortex, mainly traveling between the cells. However, in order to enter the stele, it must pass through the cytoplasm of the cells of the endodermis. Once within the stele, water is free again to move between cells as well as through them. For solutes to pass through the endodermis they must be in inorganic, ionic form to be transported across to the stele. As you can see getting water and nutrients inside your plants is no easy process!
An interesting side note for people who grow with organic nutrients.
When you hear of the virtues of organic fertilizers, remember that such materials are unable to meet any nutritional needs of the plant until they have been degraded / converted into inorganic forms. Organic matter does play an important role in making good soil texture and rhizosphere health, but it can only meet the nutritional needs of the plant to the extent that it can yield inorganic ions. Once within the epidermis, only the inorganic ions pass inward from cell to cell.

Amino Acid supplements and supplementation – possible or possibilities?
Okay, after that bombshell, let’s take a look at Amino Acids. These are fascinating little things, these miniature building blocks of protein – body builders love them and, according to many growers, plants do too. So what roles do amino acids play in plant nutrition?


Table 1 shows the 21 Proteinogenic Amino Acids
There are total of 21 Amino Acids used in the production of protein and you’ve probably seen most of them listed on the back of a bottle by now. They are known as Proteinogenic Amino Acids

Every chemical reaction or process that goes on inside a plant relies on protein. From photosynthesis through to hormone production, growth and development, stress – proteins are used by the plant for every aspect of its life, so we can see that amino acids are very important in the big scheme of things.
This importance has not escaped the attention of researchers or manufacturers of plant nutrients and additives. We are now seeing quite a few emerging products that contain these essential building blocks of life. One area being examined by both researchers and manufacturers are amino acids that are direct precursors to hormones. Tryptophan is one popular amino acid being researched as it is the direct precursor to IAA - a powerful growth hormone. Arginine is one of the precursors for cytokinins and is a major player in the production of flowers and fruits on a biochemical level. Other exciting roles of amino acids include their part in mitigating plant stress. Proline is produced by the plant in huge quantities during times of stress to assist with osmotic balance and to maintain a positive water status.
Amino acids are also used as a source of nitrogen in the root zone as they are delaminated by rhizosphere bacteria and fungi. The bacteria feed on the amino acids and in return nitrogen, in the form of ammonia, is released which can be absorbed by the plant. Ammonia is very rapidly absorbed and utilized by the plant and, in small quantities, is very beneficial to the support of rapid growth and development.
A new and very exciting and emerging area of amino acid research, and one that I am very actively involved in, is the role played by accumulated amino acids. In plants, the roles of accumulated amino acids varies from acting as an osmolyte, the regulation of ion transport, modulating stomatal opening, and detoxification of heavy metals. Amino acids also affect the synthesis and activity of enzymes, and most excitingly of all play a major role in gene expression!
So it’s readily apparent why plant nutrient manufacturers would be interested in the humble amino acid – they could be very useful to growers! As useful as might be, amino acids are also commonly misunderstood – just like the carbohydrates we looked at earlier. Once again theory is getting way in front of reality.
As with carbohydrates no one really looked at whether plants can take actively up amino acids through their roots. A major focus of my research is examining how or if plants can take up amino acids via their roots. One method is to feed plants a solution of radioactively labelled amino acids and then take special x-rays of the whole plant 24 hours later. You can actually visualize the extent of the amino acid uptake. In all of the experiments I’ve been involved in, almost none of the amino acid solution fed to the plants had
 
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