Actual Value of Marijuana?

mr2shim said:

So may I ask why did you join?



Never mind, good to have you here!

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Thanks. I already cast my ballot, as did my wife and my two adult children: that is four "YES" votes on p19

mr2shim said:

bullshit. you do something marijuana related. That's like joining an obesity forum and saying you're anorexic.



You'd only be able to grow and harvest once a year. That's the main benefit of growing indoors. Year round harvest.

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But why bother paying for light? Why not just upscale the area of your grow by the number of harvests you expect to get per year indoors? If you can get 5 harvests indoors, just build a grow area 5 times larger than that outdoors and get a single harvest. Your overall harvest will be the same, but you wont spend any money on lighting.

just look at how much u get exploited on cigs, 12$ a pack round here, u dont think they would do the same after they see how well sales of mj go??

guy incognito said:

I don't expect anyone to work for free. How many pounds have you trimmed in your 4 weeks straight of trimming though? And is it really so much of a skill that no one else could possibly do as good of a job for a cheaper price?

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well, anyone with dirt, some seeds and the sun could grow marijuna, I'm not doubting that. They probably wouldn't do a very good job though without knowing proper water, fertilizer, care.

I have seen some costing done my meds grow ops and they put the cost at 4 to 6$ a gram now as to value on the street, we will see marketing very similar to tobacco or booze and I think the price will drop to 40% current levels. You will pay more for great weed and less for swag. If you want in on it get your check book out when they do pull the trigger. As an aside I don't think we will see it soon do to the amount of funding police forces get for drug work, most departments get 70% funding for this and most is directed at pot. Think about it, you lose say 50% funding where do all the laid off cops go? Not going to happen real soon. IMHO

dam612 said:

just look at how much u get exploited on cigs, 12$ a pack round here, u dont think they would do the same after they see how well sales of mj go??

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So? It will be legal. I'd be willing to pay 150 bucks for an 1/8 around here. That's better than doing 1-10 years for an ounce.

Being ripped off financially is a much better alternative than getting thrown in jail. As I keep saying, it may not help California much but it will definitely give the legalization movement the needed push forward. Bigger picture, look at the bigger picture.

mr2shim said:

So? It will be legal. I'd be willing to pay 150 bucks for an 1/8 around here. That's better than doing 1-10 years for an ounce.

Being ripped off financially is a much better alternative than getting thrown in jail. As I keep saying, it may not help California much but it will definitely give the legalization movement the needed push forward. Bigger picture, look at the bigger picture.

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Ive been blazing for years and have never had and incident with the police. Buy ur bud from friends and dont smk in places where the police is at (keep paraphenalia out of car and dont even blunt cruise)-all u need to do to smk freely. I honestly don't know how people get busted. and i bet u would never pay 150$ for an 1/8th

If it is legalized in CA, then CA will become the producer of choice for the backward 47 (Hawaii and Alaska don't count for this analysis). If that happens, then there will not be much of a price drop at all in CA. To achieve the actual market price, it needs to be legal everywhere. Based on this thinking all of you growers here (Beardo, FDD, etc) can relax; you can keep your cushy lifestyles for a long time to come.

dam612 said:

Ive been blazing for years and have never had and incident with the police. Buy ur bud from friends and dont smk in places where the police is at (keep paraphenalia out of car and dont even blunt cruise)-all u need to do to smk freely. I honestly don't know how people get busted. and i bet u would never pay 150$ for an 1/8th

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It's more an issue of supply side growers increasing the price due to the risks they take. (police)

guy incognito said:

I don't expect anyone to work for free. How many pounds have you trimmed in your 4 weeks straight of trimming though? And is it really so much of a skill that no one else could possibly do as good of a job for a cheaper price?

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Going rate for trimming is about ~$200 a pound. Add around $1000 per pound for electricity/nuts/equipment replacements/etc. Add about $500 for labor during the grow process. And then a little profit on top of that. Yeah, about $2000-$2500 per pound for nice indoor is about right.

gupp said:

well, anyone with dirt, some seeds and the sun could grow marijuna, I'm not doubting that. They probably wouldn't do a very good job though without knowing proper water, fertilizer, care.

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Yes but that all that information will be available, and you will be able to learn it yourself. Everything takes time to learn how to do properly.

I can tell you my tomato plants this year were larger, the tomatoes were better, I got more yield per plant, and more yield per unit of area that any of my previous grows. I still didn't get it perfect and will no doubt improve next year. No one in my family has bought tomatoes since mid summer, and they've been eating tomatoes better than store bought. We also made tons of salsa and spaghetti sauce because I had so many bags of tomatoes they were going rotten before they could be eaten or given away.

I'm not saying everyone will instantly know how to grow and get medical grade out of their first attempt. Most will probably fail. But just as with anything else that error and failure will teach you how to do it properly.

Dan Kone said:

Going rate for trimming is about ~$200 a pound. Add around $1000 per pound for electricity/nuts/equipment replacements/etc. Add about $500 for labor during the grow process. And then a little profit on top of that. Yeah, about $2000-$2500 per pound for nice indoor is about right.

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But if it was as legal as tomatoes why spend $1000 per pound on indoor lighting (in addition to the cost of the lamp itself) when you can use sunlight for free? I mean I don't grow anything else indoors, I just can't compete with free sunlight. Even stuff that does grow in my house utilizes 100% free sunlight.

mrboots said:

If there is now reason to grow indoors, why does indoor hydro sell for more in the Cali despenaries?

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Environmental control would be the reason to grow indoors along with the fact that it's profitable and you can grow several crops per year instead of only one outdoor.

Hydro sells for more in Cali because it's generally higher quality than bud grow in soil. Now people associate hydro with good quality.

Dan Kone said:

Environmental control would be the reason to grow indoors along with the fact that it's profitable and you can grow several crops per year instead of only one outdoor.

Hydro sells for more in Cali because it's generally higher quality than bud grow in soil. Now people associate hydro with good quality.

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I think if you remove the illegal aspect of it though it would no longer be profitable.

guy incognito said:

But if it was as legal as tomatoes why spend $1000 per pound on indoor lighting (in addition to the cost of the lamp itself) when you can use sunlight for free? I mean I don't grow anything else indoors, I just can't compete with free sunlight. Even stuff that does grow in my house utilizes 100% free sunlight.

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You can stop mold and bugs (most of the time) indoor as well as Co2. You can control lighting cycles. Generally indoor bud is a higher quality than outdoor. People will pay more for higher quality.

Dan Kone said:

You can stop mold and bugs (most of the time) indoor as well as Co2. You can control lighting cycles. Generally indoor bud is a higher quality than outdoor. People will pay more for higher quality.

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Why can't you create an indoor environment that still lets light in? Like a greenhouse? Even supplement light to it when needed. Free sun for 7 hours, then an additional 5 hours of HID lighting still seems far more economical than 12 hours of HID.

I have never had a mold problem on anything, but i've had more bug problems indoors than I have ever experienced outside. I have not grown the same plants indoors as outdoors though.

desert dude said:

Because I am a libertarian. The war on drugs is a colossal waste of money and lives. The war on drugs has destroyed the foundation of US law by subverting the bill of rights. I want the war on drugs to end, p19 is a good first step.

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Not trying to say you can't be on here. Welcome to RIU. If only smokers voted yes on prop 19, it wouldn't pass, since a majority of people don't smoke. You should burn one when it passes just for the hell of it. lol.

mrboots said:

Not trying to say you can't be on here. Welcome to RIU. If only smokers voted yes on prop 19, it wouldn't pass, since a majority of people don't smoke. You should burn one when it passes just for the hell of it. lol.

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Thanks. There are a lot of people who realize that the war on drugs is an absolute catastrophe for the US and the rest of the world, I am one of them. There are also a lot of people who completely buy the propaganda. This proposition is gonna be close, I think. I hope it passes, I did my part.

I think I will pass on burning one, I really prefer sobriety, but I appreciate the thought.

Don't be so navie to think that the Man will not want his cut, and the man will be involved be it the black market or the legal market.

People off the grid will stay off the grid, as long as cash is king.

guy incognito said:

Why can't you create an indoor environment that still lets light in? Like a greenhouse? Even supplement light to it when needed. Free sun for 7 hours, then an additional 5 hours of HID lighting still seems far more economical than 12 hours of HID.

I have never had a mold problem on anything, but i've had more bug problems indoors than I have ever experienced outside. I have not grown the same plants indoors as outdoors though.

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No matter how you look at it, it's still one crop a year outdoor vs ~4 indoor.