A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

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Alexander Supertramp

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I have a degree in botany and I can say for certain that plants grown under ideal conditions indoors are far more healthy and produce a better product all the way around. Canola is a good example of this, 30 years ago it was not a crop that farmers wanted due to the low yields and harvesting issues. Due to Research and development in a building(indoors) we were able to increase the yields 10 fold. Canola has now equaled the acres of wheat in my province. Why? Because we were able to eliminate outside factors and control the tests properly.
Then please share some titles of the new age text books thats schools all over North America are using teaching increased yield with defoliation? How many times do we have to ask these simple requests of you? You have run your mouth plenty enough, its time you actually start backing it up.....
 

RockyMtnMan

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I have a degree in botany and I can say for certain that plants grown under ideal conditions indoors are far more healthy and produce a better product all the way around. Canola is a good example of this, 30 years ago it was not a crop that farmers wanted due to the low yields and harvesting issues. Due to Research and development in a building(indoors) we were able to increase the yields 10 fold. Canola has now equaled the acres of wheat in my province. Why? Because we were able to eliminate outside factors and control the tests properly.
I'm sure you were able to produce positive results indoors after selection and breeding, producing plants that were suited to the Canadian environment.
I'm sure it thrives in the regions where it is indigenous outside Canada as well.
Most mj growers who are growing outside have also used a similar breeding and selection processes.
A handful of mixed cannabis ceeds grown outside would probably not produce the desired result either.
But through strain selection mj growers are able to find plants that thrive well in their geographical areas outside and love it!
I wish I could throw down some 7 footers!
 

lilroach

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wow.....a troll calling someone else a troll.

I'm nowhere near being an expert, but I can tell you that for the last six months I've made it a goal to challenge some of the thought-processes that go on here and other grow sites. I can tell you that the techniques Uncle Ben has shared work a lot better than the crap I've been told at the hydro-stores and on here.

"Miracle Grow is crap" is one that I'm currently dispelling as I have a very nice plant growing in nothing but MG and is in 12/12 without one added nutrient and is doing well. Another is the BS about "organic" nutrients. I'm using "Jacks" blossom builder for my other plants and have 2' long buds (with very healthy leaves) that are blasting off the plant. Jacks is recommended by Uncle Ben.

I did the lollipopping before, and it's all hogwash if you ask me. Leaves are the solar panels of our plants and what sense does it make to blast a plant with 1000 watts if there's few leaves to absorb the energy?

Uncle Ben and Rockymtnman are my gurus...and I'm thankful that they take their time to share their valuable experience.

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RockyMtnMan

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I appreciate the compliments but am a long way from ever seeing results like uncle Ben's, or learning any where close to what he knows.
I am a book junkie and a "show me how and why" kind of guy.
Uncle Ben's experience alone shows that before all this internet bullshit and misinformation, he had this shit dialed in years ago!

You can't argue with results!
 

RockyMtnMan

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Oh and for all you noobs out there,
Quit worrying so much, relax and enjoy the experience of watching your plants grow.
Stop overthinking, overanalyzing, over-testing of meters and bullshit, and enjoy the ride!

How do you suppose we ever grew before the internet?

Where in the fuck was I going to get Fox Farm nutes back in the 80's?

Wake up and smell the ganga, it's been growing around you for years!
 

Rocketman64

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why not post pics of the whole leaf.. you could be hiding something.
Actually, all I was doing when I posted the pics was showing off a new camera I purchased. The thing shoots killer close-ups, figured a couple pics focused on just parts of leaves looked cool. I wasn't hiding anything with partial pics. I never meant to start a penis measuring contest between methods of cultivation. Can't we all just agree cultivation by itself is just plain cool no matter how it's done?
 

Rocketman64

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Oh and for all you noobs out there,
Quit worrying so much, relax and enjoy the experience of watching your plants grow.
Stop overthinking, overanalyzing, over-testing of meters and bullshit, and enjoy the ride!

How do you suppose we ever grew before the internet?

Where in the fuck was I going to get Fox Farm nutes back in the 80's?

Wake up and smell the ganga, it's been growing around you for years!
I couldn't help but responding to this one. I had this exact conversation with a fellow grower that's been at it as long as I have. We had a good laugh at some of the names of the crazy shit that's available for growing. We recalled several occasions simply tossing seeds in sunny areas in the spring and collecting the plants in the fall. All that being said, I do have a soft spot for solid research and development that promote methods and ideas that actually work. In that vain, I'm always keeping an open mind for ideas that show promise. As far as I can tell, there's been plenty of proof that indoor cultivation can be done with amazing results. Those of us that prefer a lot simpler approach also get amazing results. We can argue all day whose methods produce more at what cost but the truth is, we can all agree the main goal is to raise healthy plants. I'll do it my way, you do it yours. I'll learn from you, you learn from me. Sorry to start a shit storm by calling this a 'tribute'.
 

Uncle Ben

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Oh and for all you noobs out there,
Quit worrying so much, relax and enjoy the experience of watching your plants grow.
Stop overthinking, overanalyzing, over-testing of meters and bullshit, and enjoy the ride!

How do you suppose we ever grew before the internet?

Where in the fuck was I going to get Fox Farm nutes back in the 80's?

Wake up and smell the ganga, it's been growing around you for years!
Great points. The internet and forums like this have set back gardening decades. The focus is not on sound gardening principles anymore but on trends, gimmicks, parroting, misguided paradigms and such. They just have to make such an easy thing as complicated and confusing as they can. Grower's fault though. Many folks are too lazy to empower themselves by learning solid, accepted conventional gardening techniques so they become slaves to the hype and product lines.

Before the internet I learned the basics of flipping cycles to get flowering responses, about genetics, etc. from Mel Frank's book which is still one of the most solid, classics available not only on cannabis, but plants in general. If you want to make hash oil and do other stuff, then buy Jorge's bible.

The delivery of nutritional salts and water is immaterial - water culture, organic soil culture or soil-less...... it's all good as long as you understand plant nutrition and what makes a plant tick.

UB
 

Uncle Ben

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Come on man, this type of blatant disrespect to users you disagree with is simply childish. Please cease and desist. Congrats on the ego boost you got via this thread, but really it doesn't make you somehow better than everyone else.
Since the Thought Police censored my original response to this bull, I'll just cut to the chase - you're a self righteous hypocrite and phony who has gone out of his way to troll and trash some of my threads. One being closed for example.

"Shit, we really trolled it up this time."
At least you admitted being a troll. That is the honorable thing to do. ;)

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/570037-so-you-noobs-hooked-cannabis-17.html
 

PJ Diaz

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Since the Thought Police censored my original response to this bull, I'll just cut to the chase - you're a self righteous hypocrite and phony who has gone out of his way to troll and trash some of my threads. One being closed for example.

"Shit, we really trolled it up this time."
At least you admitted being a troll. That is the honorable thing to do. ;)

https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/570037-so-you-noobs-hooked-cannabis-17.html
LOL, that thread you linked there is a troll thread started by you! Yes, I trolled your troll thread. Self-righteous? Kettle call pot black much?
 

Uncle Ben

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I couldn't help but responding to this one. I had this exact conversation with a fellow grower that's been at it as long as I have. We had a good laugh at some of the names of the crazy shit that's available for growing.
I hear ya, it really is hilarious. All smoke-n-mirrors. Excuse the pun, but there is no industry as "seedy" as the cannabis industry.
 

Rocketman64

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Hey UB, I just saw a post you made saying you're a rocket engineer. I've been in the high power rocketry community for 15 years. It's another one of my many hobbies. Are you gainfully employed as an engineer? Love the rockets, ever since I was a kid watching the space race with the Russians. I still launch experimental/research vehicles with a great group of people in The Tripoli Rocketry Org. You ever get into the hobby rocketry stuff?
 
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