A new issue..

icetech

icetech

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Hello, so my plants have been going alone fine, pretty happy their whole lives. I have been using Jacks 321 and it's been great. About a week ago i added some tiger bloom, everyone talking bout bloom boosters and stuff got to me, shouldn't have done it. Anyway.. my Jack herer looks like this now, i want to make sure it's the tiger bloom and not something else. First grow. a little worried.
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Also.. as of this morning my Durban Poison has started turning purple.. not sure whats up with that.. The Herer has been a moody girl her whole life.. the durban though was super healthy and nothing seems to phase it.
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thanks for any advice :)
 
icetech

icetech

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hotrodharley said:
Phosphorus excess. Don’t add any more. It’s unnecessary.
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K.. i figured, but wanted to make sure before something got out of control, I was told just jacks til harvest, but i let all the people touting boosters get in my head :( BTW.. same nutes on both plants the durban doesn't care it will just eat up anything and be happy.

Thank you.
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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icetech said:
K.. i figured, but wanted to make sure before something got out of control, I was told just jacks til harvest, but i let all the people touting boosters get in my head :( BTW.. same nutes on both plants the durban doesn't care it will just eat up anything and be happy.

Thank you.
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P and K look very similar in tox, so either way, you can be guaranteed it was the bloom booster.
 
icetech

icetech

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Owsley1975 said:
What's your ph at measured from drainage?
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I don't measure drainage, it's in happy frog soil and i use 6.5ph.. which has been fine for months.. I had figurerd the tiger bloom as too much is all.

P.S. i just started my second grow in coir, and i swear they seem to be growing twice as fast.. just crazy how quick the plants are moving.. But i also started these ones on Jacks and the last i had started using growbig then switched to jacks later.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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icetech said:
Hello, so my plants have been going alone fine, pretty happy their whole lives. I have been using Jacks 321 and it's been great. About a week ago i added some tiger bloom, everyone talking bout bloom boosters and stuff got to me, shouldn't have done it. Anyway.. my Jack herer looks like this now, i want to make sure it's the tiger bloom and not something else. First grow. a little worried.
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Also.. as of this morning my Durban Poison has started turning purple.. not sure whats up with that.. The Herer has been a moody girl her whole life.. the durban though was super healthy and nothing seems to phase it.
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thanks for any advice :)
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If the plants were fine until adding the Tiger Bloom then it's pretty obvious what caused this. I see it all the time on this site. People using more products than the plant needs and then having issues. You don't need any boosters.



Owsley1975 said:
What's your ph at measured from drainage?
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Runoff pH is a worthless measurement of the pH. And they're growing in soil. Years ago the only people that bothered with pH were hydro growers. Somewhere along the way many soil growers decided they needed pH meters and started checking runoff. It's a waste of time and causes many to do more harm than good when they try and adjust the runoff pH to the level they think it needs to be. Flushing massive amounts of pH'd water chasing runoff pH.
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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xtsho said:
If the plants were fine until adding the Tiger Bloom then it's pretty obvious what caused this. I see it all the time on this site. People using more products than the plant needs and then having issues. You don't need any boosters.





Runoff pH is a worthless measurement of the pH. And they're growing in soil. Years ago the only people that bothered with pH were hydro growers. Somewhere along the way many soil growers decided they needed pH meters and started checking runoff. It's a waste of time and causes many to do more harm than good when they try and adjust the runoff pH to the level they think it needs to be. Flushing massive amounts of pH'd water chasing runoff pH.
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If you don't know what to do when you check runoff ph... sure, it's pointless.

I use it as a diagnostic, but there's no point in trying to "set" it by flushing, I agree.
 
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Owsley1975

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xtsho said:
If the plants were fine until adding the Tiger Bloom then it's pretty obvious what caused this. I see it all the time on this site. People using more products than the plant needs and then having issues. You don't need any boosters.





Runoff pH is a worthless measurement of the pH. And they're growing in soil. Years ago the only people that bothered with pH were hydro growers. Somewhere along the way many soil growers decided they needed pH meters and started checking runoff. It's a waste of time and causes many to do more harm than good when they try and adjust the runoff pH to the level they think it needs to be. Flushing massive amounts of pH'd water chasing runoff pH.
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My PH is between 7.8 and 8 on the tap and I've had lockout in soil. My water sucks for a multitude of reasons.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Owsley1975 said:
My PH is between 7.8 and 8 on the tap and I've had lockout in soil. My water sucks for a multitude of reasons.
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If it's that high then just pH it down a little before watering. I didn't say not to pH what goes in. I said that runoff pH is not an accurate measurement of the pH of the soil. Some things in the soil wash out in runoff easier than others. You don't get the pH at the root zone from runoff. That's why a soil slurry pH test is the way you should check soil pH. If the ph is too high or low after getting a reading from the slurry method then you should do what's needed to get it into the proper range.

https://blog.hannainst.com/soil-ph-testing

https://www.coleparmer.com/tech-article/soil-samples-ph-testing
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Owsley1975 said:
My PH is between 7.8 and 8 on the tap and I've had lockout in soil. My water sucks for a multitude of reasons.
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If your tap water has a high PH you need to make sure the E/C is not to high also.
Tap water with a high PH usually has high PPM's and high levels of calcium.
I'm guessing you do not have a TDS meter so here is a link to read what a TDS meter is used for.
https://www.growweedeasy.com/ppm
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Owsley1975 said:
My PH is between 7.8 and 8 on the tap and I've had lockout in soil. My water sucks for a multitude of reasons.
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If the tap water has a high a high E/C the solution is often to mix RO with the tap for a soil grow and for coco many will use RO.
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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They look cooked, tiger bloom is pretty hot already.
Keep overall EC ≤ 1-1.5 and you won't run into burn problems but with the pickiest of "strands." :bigjoint:

If you don't measure EC, feed at 1/10 strength of what you have and wait for plants to tell you they're hungry. You already know one extreme (burn city) so find the other (hungry af) now you have a nice window you should never deviate outside of. :hump:
 
Kushash

Kushash

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1212ham said:
What's generally considered to be high EC?
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My tap averages 400 ppm's or an E/C of .8 and will sometimes hit 500+ ppms using a 500 ppm scale meter or 1.0 E/C.
Water like mine is best cut with RO to create a ppm of about 150 ppm water for a soil grow.
 
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