Strangeways
Member
Hope it wasn't I've just added bio nutes
9 different strains in 3 different batches of soil ALL ABOUT TO DIE? What do I do ??
- Thread starter Strangeways
- Start date
Strangeways
Member
Now I'm worried
What do you think the problem with them is?
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
When have either of you ever seen a plant burning in flower from store bought commercially available soil? They just dont make it that strong. If its any type of burn its light burn not nutrient burn.
SnaFuu
Well-Known Member
After a quick google i see the all mix is too hot for some young seedlings. You must have a light feeding strain because they all burnt at first from over fert. So half the leaf mass was lost and photosynthesizing would be hindered. Then you added another light, exacerbating the problem.
Now the question is, have they ate up most of the nutes in the soil and finally require a feeding? Hard to tell with those burnt leaves.
Now the question is, have they ate up most of the nutes in the soil and finally require a feeding? Hard to tell with those burnt leaves.
SnaFuu
Well-Known Member
The seedlings were burnt from the start
...it could be hungry at this point i suppose but damn it's hard to tell with those nutrient burnt leaves...
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
Op, take a side shot of the plants if you could showing how high the lights are away from the plants. It looks in the one pic, and i didnt notice earlier, that the little one is stacked on another plant and closer to the light than the older one.
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
Ive planted seeds in straight fox farm ocean forest and they didnt show any symptoms like that. I just cant believe any soil company would sell dirt that doesnt come with dilution instructions that would cause that. Did you notice theres almost no tricombs on the plant as well?
SnaFuu
Well-Known Member
So what you're saying is, the pic of the seedling, where the tips are crispy as hell, at a week old, in ALL MIX organic soil (meant for mature plants [they sell "light mix" for seedlings]) isn't burning, it is in fact hungry? Or what?
Obviously the damage we see is from over fert. I hope we are on the same page there.
Perhaps at this point it is hungry, but considering the size of the plant, WHERE DID ALL THOSE NUTES GO? Quick google determined all mix is hot. I personally have no exp with it.
OP- once a plant is at that point they are so hard to read what it needs they aren't worth your electricity. Experiment with them and it'll at least be a lesson to ya.
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
I mean to be honest it looks a little like nutrient burn. But with him never adding a drop of fertlizer i cant see how thats possible. Ive used full strength soil with sprouts so many times before and never run into that.
The more i look at the picture he posted after of the small plant thats up ontop of the other plant i think it looks like light damage. I guess well be able to tell if he gets a pic up from the side.
Strangeways
Member
Oh dear
I've added nutes and turned the 2nd light back on now!!!!
Both lights are now as high as they can go in my tent but were about 10 inches max above the main plants and probably 20 above seedlings before.
I just want to reiterate this is the 2nd grow the first was in the same soil with only tap water no single nutrients added and all 4 strains were OK no sign of this problem whatsoever.
Out of my 9 strains this time 3 are the same as the first run
I've 2 ghost train haze which just grew yellow straight out the gate
Others followed
If it helps identify nute uptake current plants are
2 ghost train haze
2 blueberry *
Jack Herer
Sense skunk*
Northern lights*
Girl Scout cookies
*grown before
Really appreciate you guys input but Stumped as to what to do now??
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
So ten inches away from the plant.... Ya thats probably what it was. Dont worry about the fact that you fed them. It wont make much of a difference if you did or not, at ten inches away from the light youll make any plant cringe. Try out 2.5 feet and see how that goes for ya. Just raise the light up to proper height and keep on going. Dont chuck anything out if theres still room for it in the tent. And do yourself a favor and start reading up on the basics. Reading make your plants grow bigger.Oh dear
I've added nutes and turned the 2nd light back on now!!!!
Both lights are now as high as they can go in my tent but were about 10 inches max above the main plants and probably 20 above seedlings before.
I just want to reiterate this is the 2nd grow the first was in the same soil with only tap water no single nutrients added and all 4 strains were OK no sign of this problem whatsoever.
Out of my 9 strains this time 3 are the same as the first run
I've 2 ghost train haze which just grew yellow straight out the gate
Others followed
If it helps identify nute uptake current plants are
2 ghost train haze
2 blueberry *
Jack Herer
Sense skunk*
Northern lights*
Girl Scout cookies
*grown before
Really appreciate you guys input but Stumped as to what to do now??
Resinhound
Well-Known Member
I still say it's not overfert or light burn,the very top growth doesn't look burnt.The damage is highly mobile,and looks like a textbook potassium deficiency,look at the leaf edges and tips all over the plant.But then again I don't know this soil,but I doubt it would have even made it to flower if it was nutrient burn on this scale...nope I stand by a deficiency.Get a basic complete NPK formula and feed it lightly to start and watch for positive changes.
Alienwidow
Well-Known Member
Well, everyones got different opinions on what it is.
i hate it when this happens. But its all good. Im sure the op learned something from all of this. Bickering always seems to bring the facts that got missed to the light and usually solves the problems. theres three different theories on the table. Now the op just has to pick the one he finds most plausible.Strangeways
Member
Ok so LEDs gotta be that far away wow I was using YouTube vids as a guide and they had em down as far as poss thought 10 inches was me being TOO cautious.So ten inches away from the plant.... Ya thats probably what it was. Dont worry about the fact that you fed them. It wont make much of a difference if you did or not, at ten inches away from the light youll make any plant cringe. Try out 2.5 feet and see how that goes for ya. Just raise the light up to proper height and keep on going. Dont chuck anything out if theres still room for it in the tent. And do yourself a favor and start reading up on the basics. Reading make your plants grow bigger.
I suspected light burn as you'll notice at the start so I switched one off and raised the other but it still continued.
Not sure how I'm gonna be able to keep it to 2.5 feet my tents not tall enough
Totally agree re reading equals knowledge (usually) just so many people contradicting each other's advice it's hard to know what to take on as fact.
I read like crazy before choosing everything now seems I listened to the wrong people
Minefield
Strangeways
Member
My eggs are thoroughly in your basket mr hound I do hope you're right just got some tomato nutes
I added the bio guess I should wait now before I add the new tomatoes fert right.
Everyone remember it starts low and works its way up not top down
Resinhound
Well-Known Member
I hope it works out for you,don't go crazy with the nutrients.And watch it over the next week or so...particularly if there is any new growth.Don't expect the damage to recover,but it shouldn't advance.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Strangeways
Member
One way of looking at itWell, everyones got different opinions on what it is.
K def
Light burn
Nute burn
"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe?"
No way back now treated for k so if it's nute burn I just murdered 9 plants
Great
Resinhound
Well-Known Member
Live and learn,we all have to do it.When all is said and done..we are just looking at pictures and giving our best guess...from our own experiences.
Next time be better prepared so this doesn't happen again
Next time be better prepared so this doesn't happen again
