6under6 GDP

Dezracer said:

Your screen is almost full already, lol.
That screen isn't going to know what hit it by the end of this week 2 of flower and will most likely disappear under the flowers in only 2-3 weeks time from now. You should really have yourself a great harvest from that setup as long as you keep doing things how you're doing them now.

Very nice bru.

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Hay Dez!! wild hu?? hope your right bout the screen and harvest lol, not so worried about vollume this run just learning and HAVING FUN!!! i hope the rest is as easy as its been thus far, hope i dont jinks myself... cant wait to see that screen full of bud yea!!! thanks for all the help, much appreciated.. how u like that screen?

sebastopolian said:

Wow Bro, impressed with your setup. +reps. GDP's are an awesome strain. I got some GDP mother's... They grow so beautiful! Again great job! Im really exited to watch yours grow. Got Purple? LOL Peace Sub'd

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Sebastopolian
welcome , and thank you very much!! this is my very first grow and tho i dont have anything to compare them to i do think the GDP are truly beautifull. yea they have a lot of purple color in the stalks and leaf stem, cant wait till i see it in the dry bud yummmnnnnn!!

ok thanks for the info im a noob to heres a link to my grow closet tell me what you think and what i may need i know more lighting for 1 so if you have any advice for me feel free to let me know http://www.youtube.com/user/BLACKSPIDER285

lavazia 1 t5 is not enough light, not for flower anyway. might b ok for clone and a little veg but it looks like your plant is stretching hard to find light. is that girl in flower? kinda hard to tell. check out my clone veg box on page 5 i think. i have 2-2 bulb 4ft lights in there and during clone i turn 1 off as they dont need that much light to grow roots. i may get a 8tube t5 for the box and use for veg but will flower under hps. jmo
flo allows light to be set where they almost touch plants, almost no heat, close formation of nodes making compact bushy plants.

ok so ive got some droop going on.. i dont think its much but i dont know.
if you know what or why please post

SPECKS
SYSTEM-------------------------------------------------------AERO/NFT
TEMP IN TENT-----------------------------60-65 lights off-----68-72 lights on
RES TEMP-----------------------------------------------------------------69
NUTE APPLICATION----------------------------------------------1min on 5 off
PPMs------------------------------------------------------------------- 1650
PH--------------------------------------------------------------------5.7-6.0
STRAIN-------------------------------------------------------------------GDP
if any more info is needed please ask and ill reply asap.

i dont experience nute burn at tips untill 1750 so im not too hot but close.

the vessel is completly packed with roots, they are not absolutly white but thats the nutes im using not a rot problem. the roots have grown to the point of into the 2in drain and almost into the res. cant see spray heads but both chambers are getting plenty of water. could it not be draining as fast and getting overwatered??

only three plants are experiancing this problem and only select leaves not the whole plant.


is this something that needs fixed or just normal?????

if you know someone that can coment from experience please invite them for a look see. thanks everyone...

Clawing leaves look like a nitrogen overdose...

lookin good 4tatude. couple things. instead of wire i use cotton/polyster twine for my scrog. your ppm's seem too high mine are around 900-1100 ppm. i would just lower your ppms and see how it goes. then watch the new growth. you should flush for a day after your res change. tell me your nute recipe. are you using the botanicare?

also you need to get some white paint(cheapo works) and black underside coating(bout $4) from home depot/lowes. then paint both of your lids with the back underside paint and then paint the top white-probably 3 coats. that way you wont get any light leaking into your res and causin an algae buildup. on the lower lid i just do about a 6 inch area from the exterior no need to do the entire thing.

also might want to add some hygrozyme to your res, might be a root problem as well.

4tatude said:

ok so ive got some droop going on.. i dont think its much but i dont know.
if you know what or why please post

SPECKS
SYSTEM-------------------------------------------------------AERO/NFT
TEMP IN TENT-----------------------------60-65 lights off-----68-72 lights on
RES TEMP-----------------------------------------------------------------69
NUTE APPLICATION----------------------------------------------1min on 5 off
PPMs------------------------------------------------------------------- 1650
PH--------------------------------------------------------------------5.7-6.0
STRAIN-------------------------------------------------------------------GDP
if any more info is needed please ask and ill reply asap.

i dont experience nute burn at tips untill 1750 so im not too hot but close.

the vessel is completly packed with roots, they are not absolutly white but thats the nutes im using not a rot problem. the roots have grown to the point of into the 2in drain and almost into the res. cant see spray heads but both chambers are getting plenty of water. could it not be draining as fast and getting overwatered??

only three plants are experiancing this problem and only select leaves not the whole plant.


is this something that needs fixed or just normal?????

if you know someone that can coment from experience please invite them for a look see. thanks everyone...
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Yes - lookin good! So many reasons for leaf curl over... I first think PH imbalance - but you seem to be right within spec. Are you having to adjust that often to maintain your 5.8 - 6.0 range? If so - don't be so anal about it and let it drift more outside that range - understand nutes are quite readily available at 5.0 and 7.0 PH too. Plants change the PH at the root zone as they process nutrients - they sometimes like to dine at something like 6.3 or 5.5. For aeroponics/nft lower PH ranges are safer as pathogens and such are less likely to grow at this range - but that doesn't mean your plant is out of it's comfort zone. If you have algae anywhere in your res or system - your PH will fluctuate quite a bit and you need to take that into account. Of course your plants are now competing with the algae for their share of the nute soup! haha

I too (as another offered) would lower my nute levels... there's really no reason to run that high unless you are really super charging (as Graham would say) your garden and you have light and CO2 levels to match. Just because your plants aren't showing tip burn doesn't mean they aren't unhappy. You've already said they were burning at just 100 PPM's higher... back off 3-400ppm and lighten the load on your plants. It takes extreme amounts of energy for your plant to process salts above 1400PPM. You need to be sure they are in the comfort zone when feeding at this rate. What is your humidity? You must always talk temps/humidity together - they are intertwined. When driving your plants at 1650 you need to have temps and humidity at an optimum. In general - you are about 3 - 4F degrees cool - temps during the day should be 72 - 76 range with appropriate humidity (60% at this stage of flower). Again - I would back down to 1400 or less, and let your soup drift a bit more - say 5.5 - 6.2 before adjusting PH.

This is likely not going to be an issue. But I think this is one of those indicators your plants give you to let you know a slight adjustment needs to be made now to keep things on track. You don't want to wait until this leaf curl is on another plant before doing something. My suggestion is a safe place to start your adjustment. (in my humble opinion of course!)

hey bro hope u got the info u needed, i've heard clawing can be a little to heavy on the nutes. i read a thread on an almost pure sativa that did the same when it was fed slightly to strong nutes.

hope ur good bro?

billcollector99 said:

Clawing leaves look like a nitrogen overdose...

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thanks billcollector99 could be i upped my cal mag last res change, and that was 3 days ago. just about right to see problems if there. thank you for the timely response...

LionsRoor said:

Yes - lookin good! So many reasons for leaf curl over... I first think PH imbalance - but you seem to be right within spec. Are you having to adjust that often to maintain your 5.8 - 6.0 range? If so - don't be so anal about it and let it drift more outside that range - understand nutes are quite readily available at 5.0 and 7.0 PH too. Plants change the PH at the root zone as they process nutrients - they sometimes like to dine at something like 6.3 or 5.5. For aeroponics/nft lower PH ranges are safer as pathogens and such are less likely to grow at this range - but that doesn't mean your plant is out of it's comfort zone. If you have algae anywhere in your res or system - your PH will fluctuate quite a bit and you need to take that into account. Of course your plants are now competing with the algae for their share of the nute soup! haha

I too (as another offered) would lower my nute levels... there's really no reason to run that high unless you are really super charging (as Graham would say) your garden and you have light and CO2 levels to match. Just because your plants aren't showing tip burn doesn't mean they aren't unhappy. You've already said they were burning at just 100 PPM's higher... back off 3-400ppm and lighten the load on your plants. It takes extreme amounts of energy for your plant to process salts above 1400PPM. You need to be sure they are in the comfort zone when feeding at this rate. What is your humidity? You must always talk temps/humidity together - they are intertwined. When driving your plants at 1650 you need to have temps and humidity at an optimum. In general - you are about 3 - 4F degrees cool - temps during the day should be 72 - 76 range with appropriate humidity (60% at this stage of flower). Again - I would back down to 1400 or less, and let your soup drift a bit more - say 5.5 - 6.2 before adjusting PH.

This is likely not going to be an issue. But I think this is one of those indicators your plants give you to let you know a slight adjustment needs to be made now to keep things on track. You don't want to wait until this leaf curl is on another plant before doing something. My suggestion is a safe place to start your adjustment. (in my humble opinion of course!)

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Lionsroor thanks for response my ph is pritty much rock solid takes 3 days to go from 5.7 to 6.0. general consensus is nutes and n too high, gona back down a little and see.
newbee mistake, wanting everything on the edge of too much!! ill learn

las fingerez said:

hey bro hope u got the info u needed, i've heard clawing can be a little to heavy on the nutes. i read a thread on an almost pure sativa that did the same when it was fed slightly to strong nutes.

hope ur good bro?

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think everyone agrees, too high!!!!! ill let everyone know in a couple days thanks las!

ok so thanks for all the imput everyone, as a whole and i agree and understand that ive proly been pushing the envelope with nutes too fucking high, newbee mistake i know. live and learn right? i just inspected plants and checked all perimeters and found more leaves are clawed, more than last night.
ppms was at 1700 up almost 100 from this morning so its too high, plants are locking out, hope ive not overdone it...
i lowered down to 1400 by adding 2 gallons of water and adjusted ph to 5.8
i feel 1400 is very safe as in that range they have thrived with no problems for weeks, guess i should have stayed there and not pushed.
i also slowed down fan so temps will raise a few degrees, ill adjust accordingly through the night untill i reach 77 or so lights on.
my rh has been between 45% and 55% and should be within acceptable range.right?
thanks every one ill keep updating till im sure its under controll.

i forgot to mention that i did a pritty good leaf trim last night before posting the help request.

the plants do not look bad just still only select leaves clawing other than that and the ppms unusual climb its business as usual. they are drinking about 3/4 to a gallon per 24 hour period. they drank a full gallon in the last 24. i hope we cought it in time so it doesnt affect plants any more or worse... i feel like when my kids were very little and very sick with a fever. all you can do is give them the meds recomended and give comfort if possable, but most of all just be there!!

dirk d said:

lookin good 4tatude. couple things. instead of wire i use cotton/polyster twine for my scrog. your ppm's seem too high mine are around 900-1100 ppm. i would just lower your ppms and see how it goes. then watch the new growth. you should flush for a day after your res change. tell me your nute recipe. are you using the botanicare?

also you need to get some white paint(cheapo works) and black underside coating(bout $4) from home depot/lowes. then paint both of your lids with the back underside paint and then paint the top white-probably 3 coats. that way you wont get any light leaking into your res and causin an algae buildup. on the lower lid i just do about a 6 inch area from the exterior no need to do the entire thing.
also might want to add some hygrozyme to your res, might be a root problem as well.

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dirk yea im using botanicare with sb's original formula, i just dropped the ppms a couple hundred might drop it another couple if no change over night.
i have zero light in res as im using an ice chest for res and fitted penetrations for pump and return. no sign of algae but good to know how to block light on a tote.
what does the hygrozyme do?

the hygrozyme pretty much eats up dead root material and converts the dead parts back into usable proteins and stuff for your plant to use. if you are having root zone problems it will usually help it recover.

also i was talking about painting your cloner. i thought i saw a pic of the strongbox with the yellow lids.

ok my bad, ill do that asap. dont want any problems there either. i have 2 lids so its not going to be too hard. good advice thanks!

pc has been down!!! still having claw problems, think ive stopped it progressing further but im proly 25% clawing on a couple plants. flowering is happening and plants kook fine other than leaves that are clawed. worried but dont know how to proceed. will post what ive done and pics tomorrow too tired tonight gota get some sleep...

i dumped and cleaned the res, filled with water and added the recomnded dose of clearex and flushed for 24 hrs. ppms only went up 150 ppms so i dont think there is a build up causing this problem.


i changed the nute regimen to follow super stoners recipe
250ml pure pro bloom
100ml liquid karma
70ml cal mag
100ml sweet
mixed and added to res to 1000ppm
added
great white
aqua shield
silica blast
all to recomended dosage for my res

after diong this i monitered the ph and ppms in res. very little change in either in 2 days, also no change in leaves. maby a few more clawing but not the advancement i was experiencing before flushing. at this level (1000ppm) nute ppms stayed very stable and water uptake remaines consistant at about a gallon per day

after 2 days of no real changes i added water and dropped the ppms down to 800ppms. ph is rock solid at 5.9 the plants are uptaking nutes as the ppms are dropping about 40ppms per day and water uptake is about a gallon per day

flowering and general health of plants do not seem to be affected other than the clawing. ive checked that they are getting the water required and the nute solution should be well within tolorance for these plants, im not sure what further action is needed.

there is no problem with roots as i took apart what i could of system and all the roots i could see were very healthy and white. res nute solution was and remains very clean looking and no odd smells, or color

QUESTIONS
do i need to remove the clawing leaves?
do i need to change nute cycle times, now set on 1min on 5 off? too much water?
would adding h2o2 help, and if so what is the recomended dosage per gallon of 29% solution?

i know there are others that have experienced this problem, and have read most everything i can find. i find im more confused than when i started due to so many people replying without real knolidge, and speculating rather than giving real advice based on experience or proof.

does anyone here have real first hand experience with this problem and can confirm what the cause of clawing is, and explain the action taken to solve the problem?

pics taken today you can see major claw going on in lower section of plants.

the upper canopy does not seem to be problematic that i can see