600w Og Kush Indoor Soil

backwood grower said:

... But I can tell you this when you dont flush, you can taste it, you can smell it and it does make a real world difference on a smoke analysis, in unflushed bud the levels of heavy metals like Iron, Mag, and Boron is Hundreds of times higher than in flush bud, and trust me you dont want that shit in your lungs, Even if it help increase your yield you would still want to flush anyway and since it dosent increase your yield there is no point NOT to flush.

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First of all, magnesium and boron aren't heavy metals and iron isn't a toxic one like arsenic, lead or mercury. Secondly, boron isn't mobile and flushing isn't going to remove the iron in the plant as it's only slightly mobile under certain circumstances. So what are the benefits of flushing again?

Well not to pick sides, but I did dip into that nug that I pulled like ~2 weeks ago and I smoked some of it today, and though it is only halfway done curing (the hay smell is only just starting to go away) it smoked and tasted GREAT till the last couple of hits, but then I could tell it was just the cure at that point that was making it not smoke well near the end. The nug though theoretically was not flushed.

I think what I'm going to do is just water w/ RO water, but not actively 'flush out' w/ many gallons, while at the same time, not continuiing to give nutrients. I think I'll do just water and molasses for the last 8 days or so (so about 2-3 waterings). I just don't know, I would rather play it slightly safe and have my peace of mind then to not do any kind of flush and always wonder 'what would it have tasted like'.

But I have seen now as I look more and more through these forums that very experienced growers like HB, UncleBen, and RiddleM3, don't flush, and then I see other experienced growers compare their stuff that they now do not flush to the stuff of when they did flush and they say there is 'no difference at all if any it is hardly noticeable'.

So don't think that I am on the 'flush bandwagon' or vice versa, I'm just wanting to play it safe until I see for myself what the results come out like from either doing so or not doing so.

So far from what I've seen of this nug I had today, flushing may not be of the importance I thought it was.

homebrewer said:

First of all, magnesium and boron aren't heavy metals and iron isn't a toxic one like arsenic, lead or mercury. Secondly, boron isn't mobile and flushing isn't going to remove the iron in the plant as it's only slightly mobile under certain circumstances. So what are the benefits of flushing again?

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My statement was what i was told by the lady that does my testing over at Pure Analytics, I never really questioned it, but alas I was completely wrong After reading articles from University of Missouri, and a report of plant production from Stanford I am forced to retract my previous statement, It seems that Flushing really does not have anything to do with taste or overall consistency, all that could be concluded was to slowly reduce nutrient levels as you close in on harvest.

Again I am sorry for spreading false information, It seems that you should regularly check the sources of your information to make sure you are getting the whole truth.

backwood grower said:

My statement was what i was told by the lady that does my testing over at Pure Analytics, I never really questioned it, but alas I was completely wrong After reading articles from University of Missouri, and a report of plant production from Stanford I am forced to retract my previous statement, It seems that Flushing really does not have anything to do with taste or overall consistency, all that could be concluded was to slowly reduce nutrient levels as you close in on harvest.

Again I am sorry for spreading false information, It seems that you should regularly check the sources of your information to make sure you are getting the whole truth.

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I had to read this twice, the first time I thought you were being sarcastic and sort of "Ohhh yes I have seen the error of my ways how could I be so wrong!" but then as I neared the end of the first section and reread the whole thing again I understand now that you truly are saying that you take back what you said.

So that is totally awesome, really, truly, that you researched (and something so official might I add) and came back and said "Hey, I was wrong, sorry". You don't have to apologize though especially for 'spreading false info' cuz at the time you didn't know it was false!

But yeah man, wow, I'm really glad to see things like that, b/c honestly I see so much indecency on a daily basis, to see something someone do something so cool and awesome and decent as what you just did really improved my mood though it wasn't so bad to begin with. Awesomeness!

I personally think flushing is a band-aid for poor growing practices. I think if we pay attention to the plants and how they feed, we can better meet their needs without jamming them full of inorganic mineral salts. It's a lot easier to observe in my hydro trays but the daily uptake of mineral salts is the greatest during the middle of flowering. Towards the end and at the beginning, you can actually see that the daily ppm drops aren't as great meaning you can get away with feeding less during the last weeks of the plant's life while still maintaining good plant health. I don't think it makes any sense to spend all this money on expensive fertilizers and spend hours of our precious time trying to grow healthy plants only to let them go deficient and sickly at the most important time; harvest. This is what is happening during the flush. The bigger issue though is overfeeding. Read your plants, understand the essential elements, feed only what is required.

By all means though, do what works best for you. I encourage everyone to do side-by-side tests with their friends and see if they can pick out which bud was flushed. Assuming one doesn't overfeed, I don't think anyone will be able to tell a difference.

The plant below is about 2 days from being harvested, maybe day 58 of 60? It takes practice to keep a plant healthy until harvest but I've always believed that healthy plants at harvest not only yield the best but yield the highest quality smoke given the genetic limits.

Home, that is a beautiful plant man, is it an OG of some breed?
On my current run in gonna keep up the feeding to the end with a low end drop off near harvest and maybe my babys will look as good as yours when they finish
the only thing I cant get behind u still is the use of Molasses, I use it as a Nute, sulfurous molasses has a decent % of Cal, Iron, and Mag and since were once plant matter they are already in usable form for plants no chelating needed
In the grows i used it on, I keep my eyes peeled for Cal Mag deficiencies but since making the switch off Cal Mag supplements I have still yet to have any, although it could be a plethora of other factors involved, just saying it works for me and I am a big fan of organically derived Nutrients.... dont read to much into that, I think syns are just as good I just always had my best harvests with organics, they seem to be more....forgiving lol

Smokey man keep up the good work, your harvest is gonna rock ass man, I wish you knew what OG kush strain you had lol, there are alot of different ones, all the ones i have tried are excellent but I am a Huge fan of #18 and tahoe, they have almost a minty pine flavor, just fantastic lol, if you are in the northern cali area maybe i could hook you up with some OG 18 that i have strait from Reserva privada, good stuff

im pretty sure thats an og. fuckin wow!!!

backwood grower said:

Home, that is a beautiful plant man, is it an OG of some breed?
On my current run in gonna keep up the feeding to the end with a low end drop off near harvest and maybe my babys will look as good as yours when they finish

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It's a clone-only strain called Dumpster that I picked up while working in Ohio.

backwood grower said:

Home, that is a beautiful plant man, is it an OG of some breed?
On my current run in gonna keep up the feeding to the end with a low end drop off near harvest and maybe my babys will look as good as yours when they finish
the only thing I cant get behind u still is the use of Molasses, I use it as a Nute, sulfurous molasses has a decent % of Cal, Iron, and Mag and since were once plant matter they are already in usable form for plants no chelating needed
In the grows i used it on, I keep my eyes peeled for Cal Mag deficiencies but since making the switch off Cal Mag supplements I have still yet to have any, although it could be a plethora of other factors involved, just saying it works for me and I am a big fan of organically derived Nutrients.... dont read to much into that, I think syns are just as good I just always had my best harvests with organics, they seem to be more....forgiving lol

Smokey man keep up the good work, your harvest is gonna rock ass man, I wish you knew what OG kush strain you had lol, there are alot of different ones, all the ones i have tried are excellent but I am a Huge fan of #18 and tahoe, they have almost a minty pine flavor, just fantastic lol, if you are in the northern cali area maybe i could hook you up with some OG 18 that i have strait from Reserva privada, good stuff

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Thanks for all the awesome words. If I am ever going up to Nor Cal I'll hit you up!

My reasoning behind the molasses is because I am in soil it will help to feed the microcolonies of living organisms that I have in there, providing the plant more of them (ideally) so that it will still kick ass even as I begin to dwindle down on the nutes as it draws to a close.

homebrewer said:

It's a clone-only strain called Dumpster that I picked up while working in Ohio.

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well if it tastes half as good as it looks.....oh man !

Sweet buds man, they look mean all growin horns n shit about it.

So, like any desperate one would do when they really need to smoke and have absolutely nothing and no patience for a 'quick dry' method, I pulled a bud down and microwaved it. I've done this in the past w/ some past grows, but never really documented it and I think I didn't do it for long enough the last time I tried to do it. Long story short, I am actually quite surprised by how decent it turned out and how many trichromes remained intact (from what I can see, though on the microscopic level who knows how damaged they are), and, though it doesn't taste the best (not the worst either), it smokes down to ash and I'll be darned if it doesn't get me high! Now, excuse me please, off to smoke some microwaved pot .

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After about 9-10 20 second bursts in the microwave (didn't touch the power settings, most likely set to high full 1000w power). I took it out and blew it cool between each nuke, and had to swap to another plate 1/3 then 2/3 of the way through cuz the plates got burning freakin hot. Doesn't look too bad at all, pics don't do it true justice for what I've just done to it.

i have read most of your thread and must say im very impressed on your nute understanding already. two things always flush atleast a week and i think u have a defieceny that caused all the purple leaves not natural. the purple should be natural in the bud structure not leaves. with a kush its a cold climate plant drop temps at night and you will get some pretty purple on the structure. just some thoughts keep it up much rep.

the420 apprentice said:

i have read most of your thread and must say im very impressed on your nute understanding already. two things always flush atleast a week and i think u have a defieceny that caused all the purple leaves not natural. the purple should be natural in the bud structure not leaves. with a kush its a cold climate plant drop temps at night and you will get some pretty purple on the structure. just some thoughts keep it up much rep.

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Thanks for the kind words! And yeah I think that I have an N deficiency slightly which is what caused the yellowing, I know that Homebrewer, whom I learned to use Dynagro nutes from, uses both Grow and Bloom during the flower cycle (though of varying ratios). I went w/ all bloom from like week 2 onward of flower save for this last watering, and yeah so that caused the plant to have to eat some of itself, not a whole lot though. On top of that the constant oscillating fan did a number, but it gets really hot in my little closet so it is definitely needed. At night, however, from living in southern california, it does get really cold, and I've even seen dew on the leaves in the morning back in veg/early flower when it was more bushier and the dew hadn't dried yet in places; anyway though, to digress from my segue, that is why I definitely think they turned purple on the leaves. The buds themselves are supposed to be vibrant green OG which they pretty much are for the most part, I'm definitely pleased with the results so far!

Thanks again, glad you have been checking things out and decided to say hello!

wow those buds are lookin beautiful!!

Nice looking overall. Been watching them grow through your blog and gotta give cred when you see one awesome grow. Lol on the microwave dry. Radiation tastes so good! Keep it up!

Awesome buds -- very successful grow for you As an alternative to microwaving, you might find my toaster method easier. Take a small foil square 2 or 3" square, fold up the edges to basically make a mini baking pan, place small bud on top, place mini baking pan across top of toaster slot (make sure it won't fall in), put toaster oven on low setting. Toast and repeat til dry (usually a couple rounds of 'toast' ). For some reason seems to bake some of the sugars in the plant and it brings out a combination of sweet and spice smell usually that I find awesome. If you're growing organic buds will still taste great and I find my early popcorn buds once they are worth testing are still pretty potent even with no full dry/cure.

Hey thanks for the tip and for all the likes I'm going to cut a small bud down right now and give it a toast!

Cheers!

Well the toaster definitely took me a lot longer, it took me like 7 or 8 cycles before I got smart and broke the nug up into smaller pieces, b/c the inside was not cooking. But once it finally did finish, it definitely has a much, MUCH, smoother taste and hit and burn then when I use the microwave. I'm going to go try to buy a 20$ 8th of some bombass shake I can get at my local club to try to hold me over, b/c seriously I've already cut off like almost 10 buds of the same or slightly bigger/smaller size then the ones in the pics previously shown; it's not good lol I'm taking all my results!