4th grow in a row with tiny specks (seeds?) Inside every calyx.

having no a serious issue that nobody has seemed to have seen or heard of. 4 grows in a row win good genetics and I get what appears to be tiny immature seeds inside of every single calyx. The crazy thing is that there has never, and I mean never been a single found pollen sack or nanner. I meticulously go through every bud and never anythjng. Just all these calyxes that have tiny specks inside them..just big enough to make the bud crackle when burning..sometimes a small seed like pop. I’m really stumped guys. This issue always starts around day 30 with the first original calyxes that showed at beginning of flower becoming swelled as normal but with a tiny speck inside. Then it gradually happens to every single calyx as they mature. The “seeds” never grow in size and will be the same size at week ten as they were at week 5. Every single time. They don’t grow in size and they appear inside every calyx as the calyx starts to swell. The calyxes don’t swell early as happens in pollination, they swell kinda when they should but always these tiny seeds. How the hell can there be a tiny seed inside every single calyx without there ever being a pollen sack or nanner? Very stable genetics. Light schedule is good and no light leaks. No deficiencies. I’m really hoping to come across someone who’s experienced this shit. It’s seeming like a curse that won’t lwt me figure it out.

above my thumb coming off main stem this is one of the calyxes that surely has a speck seed in it. These are the calyxes that start getting them around day 30 right when these calyxes normally swell. As the other calyxes mature, they’ll swell when they should but will be like this one with a slight stripe running down center of it and a seed that will remain tiny, undeveloped and never grows in size. Never. 4 grows and never a single actual seed that is a mature seed.

Has it been the same genetics every time and what genetics is it? Are they grown from seed or clone? That would be my first thought is something weird with that specific strain or phenotype.

The next question is when are you harvesting, and this could be an important one? Seeds take a few weeks to show themselves, and then take even more time to fully mature.

If you live in an area that has a large number of outdoor growers, its possible someone elses pollen is drifting into your grow through the ventilation, but it's pretty unlikely it would happen 4 times in the same way.

Thundercat said:

Has it been the same genetics every time and what genetics is it? Are they grown from seed or clone? That would be my first thought is something weird with that specific strain or phenotype.

The next question is when are you harvesting, and this could be an important one? Seeds take a few weeks to show themselves, and then take even more time to fully mature.

If you live in an area that has a large number of outdoor growers, its possible someone elses pollen is drifting into your grow through the ventilation, but it's pretty unlikely it would happen 4 times in the same way.

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6 different strains this has happened with. Cheese, chemdawg, jack 47, Kali china, Pck and blue widow. I’ve just noticed that the tiny green balls are inside every small calyx that hasn’t even swoll yet. Hairs are still white coming off these but every one I pick has a tiny green dot in it. I was just checking the swollen ones before but literally 15 minutes ago, I cut a blue widow bud and even it the newest,tiniest calyxes there are the green dots. My last grow I noticed them at about week 4 and by harvest of last plants at week 10, they never grew in size. In 6 weeks never a bit of growth in size of the green dots. Didn’t matter when I checked. Never an actual seed. Turns out now I’ve discovered that it’s not just the swoll calyx with red hairs. It’s the newest calyxes with white hairs. Same size green speck. This maybe an ovule? Every calyx every time? No signs of hermie and no stress. Very odd. I know that an ovule is tiny and green and is what the pistils attach to inside the calyx. All strains from fem seeds

Thundercat said:

Has it been the same genetics every time and what genetics is it? Are they grown from seed or clone? That would be my first thought is something weird with that specific strain or phenotype.

The next question is when are you harvesting, and this could be an important one? Seeds take a few weeks to show themselves, and then take even more time to fully mature.

If you live in an area that has a large number of outdoor growers, its possible someone elses pollen is drifting into your grow through the ventilation, but it's pretty unlikely it would happen 4 times in the same way.

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Just quick dried and smoked the blue widow bud..No popping or cracking but I know there must have been 30 or more of these green specks in there. You don’t see them when you just break the bud up and toss it into a pipe. If you’re not looking specifically for them, you don’t notice a thing. But if you look real close and start slowly moving the broke up bud around with your finger, you’ll start to see them. I didn’t taste them and have noticed that even when they would crackle with the past strains, it never really tasted like a seed. Is very confusing. I wonder if others plucked a few calyxes off of their plants and looked inside if they’d see these same little green dots. Can ovules be this big? Surely doesn’t behave like seeds in that they never grow and always stay a tiny green dot. Maybe I’m getting extra large ovules for some weird reason? I’ve been really concerned with my tap water for over a year now. Idk why maybe some nonsense paranoia but man I’ve beat myself over the head for 2 years now trying to figure it out. Everything is dialed in. I mean I’ve exhausted my mind when it comes to this. I’ve checked into this and that and everything in between. I’ve test ran different mediums and fert lines along side my regular line. I’ve played with the slight variation in temps and watering amounts/frequency with a few test plants alongside my regular. Light leaks are ruled out. Light schedule does not fluctuate. Plants look beautiful all the way until I decide it’s time to flush. Buds look, smell great. I couldn’t be happier with the potency but it’s these damn specks that usually crackle. The only thing I haven’t changed is my source of water. It’s a nice ph of 7 out of the tap. I use powdered dolomite lime in my mix and it’s stays stabile at around 6.6-6.8 through flower. I’m beginning to wonder if the water has too much of an element or has some metals or something that shouldn’t be there and that somehow this is causing ovules to grow abnormally large. This is way beyond the realm of what’s normal. Feels like a curse at this point

I've had this same thing happen in the past but never on the scale you describe of mulitple strains and grows. Thats why I asked several of the questions I did. Its never proven an issue for me on my plants. Every so often I'll notice it depending on the strain I'm flowering at the time, and I get scared its a seed but then I look closer and its not .

I think your conclusions about them being ovules is probably correct. I came across this thread elsewhere that seemed to fit http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?/topic/313565-cannabis-ovule-or-baby-seed/&page=2 .

I'm wondering if since when you smoke them they don't taste or smell like seeds if perhaps the crackling isn't from these "specks", but rather just from not being dried fully/correctly? I'm just brainstorming with you BTW.

How did the bud come out I'm having the same problem do u have light leeks and do u use a timer

For Christ's sake, they are ovules. Every calyx has an ovule. I swear noone ever checked out the anatomy of the plant they chose to grow and smoke.

The ovule is what the pistil emerges from. Elementary anatomy. When the calyx becomes pollinated, the ovule will grow into seed. It pays to doa bit of research. Taking the tin foil hats off and searching "marijuana calyx anatomy" would have solved all of this in a few seconds. Literally.

VincenzioVonHook said:

For Christ's sake, they are ovules. Every calyx has an ovule. I swear noone ever checked out the anatomy of the plant they chose to grow and smoke.

The ovule is what the pistils emerge from. Elementary anatomy guys. When the calyx becomes pollinated, the ovule will grow into seed. It pays to do the slightest research on the plant you choose to smoke and grow. Taking the tin foil hats off and searching "marijuana calyx anatomy" would have solved all of this in a few seconds. Literally.
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i think much of the confusion came from never encountering these before in other buds we had bought or grown. It only took me a little research to figure out what they were, and I shared that with the OP 3 years ago.

However I still haven’t found any credible info on why some plants have the over sized ovules that are hard and visible even when they were not polinated. I assume it has to with the genetics being used for breeding.

Also your post comes off kind of aggressive and insulting to basically anyone that was unfamiliar with every aspect of the plants anatomy. But then you sit here and use the terms “pistils” and “calyx” which aren’t accurate terms for cannabis. Even your picture shows the correct terminology “stigma” and “bract”. Its ok you didn’t know those terms, I didn’t know them 5 years ago because most of this industry and most people talking on social media flat out use the wrong terms. But since I learned them I strive to use the correct terminology any time possible.

I don’t normally make a point of correcting people though because it doesn’t usually matter. In this case since your post was basically about how stupid everyone else was I figured it was worth pointing out. So maybe learn to speak with more humility and try to help others learn rather then belittle people because you think something is obvious.

VincenzioVonHook said:

For Christ's sake, they are ovules. Every calyx has an ovule. I swear noone ever checked out the anatomy of the plant they chose to grow and smoke.

The ovule is what the pistils emerge from. Elementary anatomy guys. When the calyx becomes pollinated, the ovule will grow into seed. It pays to do the slightest research on the plant you choose to smoke and grow. Taking the tin foil hats off and searching "marijuana calyx anatomy" would have solved all of this in a few seconds. Literally.
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That just shows I can always learn something new
I always referred to them as calyxes
Thanks

Thundercat said:

i think much of the confusion came from never encountering these before in other buds we had bought or grown. It only took me a little research to figure out what they were, and I shared that with the OP 3 years ago.

However I still haven’t found any credible info on why some plants have the over sized ovules that are hard and visible even when they were not polinated. I assume it has to with the genetics being used for breeding.

Also your post comes off kind of aggressive and insulting to basically anyone that was unfamiliar with every aspect of the plants anatomy. But then you sit here and use the terms “pistils” and “calyx” which aren’t accurate terms for cannabis. Even your picture shows the correct terminology “stigma” and “bract”. Its ok you didn’t know those terms, I didn’t know them 5 years ago because most of this industry and most people talking on social media flat out use the wrong terms. But since I learned them I strive to use the correct terminology any time possible.

I don’t normally make a point of correcting people though because it doesn’t usually matter. In this case since your post was basically about how stupid everyone else was I figured it was worth pointing out. So maybe learn to speak with more humility and try to help others learn rather then belittle people because you think something is obvious.

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I've answered this question like 20 times since I've been member so I got the shits and projected lol.

Just to correct you , Calyx and bract both describe whorled/twisted sepal leaves which encase the female reproductive organs and are used interchangeably. The Stigma is only a part of the pistil structure. The pistil as a whole contains a style and ovule as well as two stigmas for correction. To sum it up, the calyx or bract encases a pistil which is made up of the stigmas, a style and an ovule. Have you noticed its classified as a PISTILLATE flower, not a stigmatate flower?

Most people will generally use calyx and pistil when speaking about female reproductive organs so I'll stick with that.

Herb & Suds said:

That just shows I can always learn something new
I always referred to them as calyxes
Thanks

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+1 it's a calyx to me, though I'm unfamiliar with anything other than them being soft or not seed like.

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View attachment 4258073 View attachment 4258074 View attachment 4258075 above my thumb coming off main stem this is one of the calyxes that surely has a speck seed in it. These are the calyxes that start getting them around day 30 right when these calyxes normally swell. As the other calyxes mature, they’ll swell when they should but will be like this one with a slight stripe running down center of it and a seed that will remain tiny, undeveloped and never grows in size. Never. 4 grows and never a single actual seed that is a mature seed.

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if its true that would be a cool genetic to have. imagine only one seed per bud.

Thundercat said:

i think much of the confusion came from never encountering these before in other buds we had bought or grown. It only took me a little research to figure out what they were, and I shared that with the OP 3 years ago.

However I still haven’t found any credible info on why some plants have the over sized ovules that are hard and visible even when they were not polinated. I assume it has to with the genetics being used for breeding.

Also your post comes off kind of aggressive and insulting to basically anyone that was unfamiliar with every aspect of the plants anatomy. But then you sit here and use the terms “pistils” and “calyx” which aren’t accurate terms for cannabis. Even your picture shows the correct terminology “stigma” and “bract”. Its ok you didn’t know those terms, I didn’t know them 5 years ago because most of this industry and most people talking on social media flat out use the wrong terms. But since I learned them I strive to use the correct terminology any time possible.

I don’t normally make a point of correcting people though because it doesn’t usually matter. In this case since your post was basically about how stupid everyone else was I figured it was worth pointing out. So maybe learn to speak with more humility and try to help others learn rather then belittle people because you think something is obvious.

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why are you attacking the guy you knew the correct terms and didnt write anything to help the man a year has passed nobody helped guy can be anoyyed

Thundercat said:

i think much of the confusion came from never encountering these before in other buds we had bought or grown. It only took me a little research to figure out what they were, and I shared that with the OP 3 years ago.

However I still haven’t found any credible info on why some plants have the over sized ovules that are hard and visible even when they were not polinated. I assume it has to with the genetics being used for breeding.

Also your post comes off kind of aggressive and insulting to basically anyone that was unfamiliar with every aspect of the plants anatomy. But then you sit here and use the terms “pistils” and “calyx” which aren’t accurate terms for cannabis. Even your picture shows the correct terminology “stigma” and “bract”. Its ok you didn’t know those terms, I didn’t know them 5 years ago because most of this industry and most people talking on social media flat out use the wrong terms. But since I learned them I strive to use the correct terminology any time possible.

I don’t normally make a point of correcting people though because it doesn’t usually matter. In this case since your post was basically about how stupid everyone else was I figured it was worth pointing out. So maybe learn to speak with more humility and try to help others learn rather then belittle people because you think something is obvious.

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This site needs more folks like you, and less people with bad attitudes. We are all on here because we enjoy the plant, some learning, some teaching, some sharing. Some are just proper trolls.

Herb & Suds said:

That just shows I can always learn something new
I always referred to them as calyxes
Thanks

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You can teach an old dog a new trick.

For the sake of simplicity I use pistil and calyx as well since that's what the majority of cannabis growers use. Using other terms would just cause confusion among many.

The same goes with Cannabis Taxonomy. People refer to narrow leaved varieties as sativa and wide leaved varieties as indica. That's incorrect. What people refer to as sativa should be called indica and what people refer to as indica should be referred to as Afghan. Sativa should be used to refer to hemp as that's what it was initially used for way back in 1753.

But since 99.999999% of cannabis growers use the terms incorrectly and knowing that trying to change that is next to impossible I use the incorrect terms myself. But in the back of my mind I know it's incorrect. Some things just aren't worth the effort trying to correct.

xtsho said:

You can teach an old dog a new trick.

For the sake of simplicity I use pistil and calyx as well since that's what the majority of cannabis growers use. Using other terms would just cause confusion among many.

The same goes with Cannabis Taxonomy. People refer to narrow leaved varieties as sativa and wide leaved varieties as indica. That's incorrect. What people refer to as sativa should be called indica and what people refer to as indica should be referred to as Afghan. Sativa should be used to refer to hemp as that's what it was initially used for way back in 1753.

But since 99.999999% of cannabis growers use the terms incorrectly and knowing that trying to change that is next to impossible I use the incorrect terms myself. But in the back of my mind I know it's incorrect. Some things just aren't worth the effort trying to correct.

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pistil and calyx is not incorrect though. The stigmas are just one part of the pistil structure as a whole, with the other two parts of the structure being the style and ovule. Calyx and bract are both correct and define the whorled sepal leaves encasing the pistil which comprises of two stigmas, a style and an ovule.

I know, im just being petty, but they are the correct terms whether @Thundercat likes it or not. That's why they call it a PISTILLATE flower not a stigmatate flower lol.

VincenzioVonHook said:

I've answered this question like 20 times since I've been member so I got the shits lol.

Pistil and calyx are used more often than bract and stigma, and are also used interchangeably so I don't see what the big deal is.

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dude you’ve only been a member for 1 year. If you are already tired of answering questions just stop now so you don’t start trolling like some member do when they get bored or tired of the same questions.

this question in particular wasn’t even a thing years ago when I started growing and was more active around here. It was only the last 4-5 years you started seeing this pop up. So a good question is still “why is this starting to happen more often”. If you can put some of your superior research skills to work and answer that then you will be doing something useful.

Digging up an old thread to Tell everyone they are idiots that don’t understand anything about anatomy is not useful.

amneziaHaze said:

why are you attacking the guy you knew the correct terms and didnt write anything to help the man a year has passed nobody helped guy can be anoyyed

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I replied to the OP in January of 2019 with the answer to the issue. I wasn’t hardly attacking anyone simply pointing out how his post (on a 3 year old thread) had came across.

Thundercat said:

dude you’ve only been a member for 1 year. If you are already tired of answering questions just stop now so you don’t start trolling like some member do when they get bored or tired of the same questions.

this question in particular wasn’t even a thing years ago when I started growing and was more active around here. It was only the last 4-5 years you started seeing this pop up. So a good question is still “why is this starting to happen more often”. If you can put some of your superior research skills to work and answer that then you will be doing something useful.

Digging up an old thread to Tell everyone they are idiots that don’t understand anything about anatomy is not useful.

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I'll post whatever I want