420 Institute w/Prof. Terpen

twistedentities said:
Doesn't the peroxide kill all bacteria? I'm curious as to how just stray bacteria is affected.
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I wondered the same thing for a long time. One day I came across some information on peroxide that was extremely interesting. It said that bacteria that thrive in oxygenated conditions are not killed by peroxide, only the bacteria that thrive in anaerobic (no oxygen) environments. I wish I had bookmarked the info so I could link it but I did not. If I can come across it again I'll link it, otherwise maybe someone else can expand on this.
 
profterpen said:
Dear UncleRespecptmyrimnoise,

Was this your welcome post, on page two or was it the hehehehe on page one. One did welcome me but not you.
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Here is my welcoming word for word, you can find it on page 4:
"Just to be clear, we aren't bashing you. It's in good fun and hopefully I'm not inaccurately representing my peers here when I say that. But your entrance here is making us curious, needless to say. I'm happy that you're here with us, and I'm anxious to see what you're all about. "

The only thing I will apologize for is even letting myself get upset about it to begin with. :)

Edit: Yeah, I'm down for this mass defoliation experiment. I've experimented with it in the past and would like to once more with side-by-side comparisons from other members. Also, I can totally appreciate the nickname the prof gave me if she doesn't mind explaining what it means to respect ones "rimnoise" xD :P
 
Okay so I don't have a lot of time today but I'll have the Defoliation Topic up tonight and I'll pick the plant to take clones off tomorrow. I'll doc, photo and video. I'll have strain information online tonight.

As far as the peroxide topic, quickly...

We can get really deep into this, I'll let you guys direct questions to me. The short of it... Peroxide or H2O2 itself is a unstable molecule and when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. The oxygen atom's very reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. It also pushes out chlorine. It's a great way to suppress algae, will destroy dead organic matter and helps kill infections. How deep do you guys wanna go?
 
That's great so mb I should make a thread and a poll or something? We'll need as many volunteers as possible. The poll will be used to count the number of interested growers who will take part in the experiment. Really it doesn't need to be 100 but a large number is important to give the results more weight. The guidelines should be easy enough. Use the technique Chuck highlighted so we're all on the same page and photograph your progress. That way there will be transparency so each study member's results can be verified. There will be a thread for the study results with pix. Does this seem like it might work? Thoughts? Suggestions?
 
profterpen said:
Okay so I don't have a lot of time today but I'll have the Defoliation Topic up tonight and I'll pick the plant to take clones off tomorrow. I'll doc, photo and video. I'll have strain information online tonight.

As far as the peroxide topic, quickly...

We can get really deep into this, I'll let you guys direct questions to me. The short of it... Peroxide or H2O2 itself is a unstable molecule and when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. The oxygen atom's very reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. It also pushes out chlorine. It's a great way to suppress algae, will destroy dead organic matter and helps kill infections. How deep do you guys wanna go?
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there was a question about whether it kills beneficial bacteria aerobic and/or anaerobic? Also we have figured we could do a mass experiment on defoliation with as many members as possible. Will you take part?
 
Makes sense with peroxide. I guess it works the same way that I dose my saltwater reef tanks. I use peroxide for control of cyanobacteria and for helping to break down sludge.

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If the experiment extends into late fall this year, I'll have something to post. I'll be doing a bit of outdoor growing this year and I intend on taking clones from my WW and Lemon Kush. I'll clone them each twice, plant them side by side, and defoliate one of each. Maybe I can put something together indoors, who knows :)
 
profterpen said:
Energy use by the plant to repair the tips that were trimmed is very minor if the plant is healthy and your trimmings at the right stage of the plants life. I boil raw cane sugar (one gallon of water to one half pounds cane), for 45 minutes. Then strain with cheese clothe. Once all cane material is removed I ad one cup per gallon peroxide. Transfer water to ice trays. On the day of trimming I cut at the start of the day and when I'm done with clean up I place 3 ice cubes per gallon of soil every 4 hours for no more than 3 application. This does two things, first the peroxide helps kill any stray bacteria and it encourages the roots to process more oxygen. Secondly the boiled cane releases micro sugars and carbohydrates that are like super chargers for them pretty ladies.
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What are "micro sugars"? It seems counter-productive to combine carbohydrates and hydrogen peroxide... can you expound on the reasoning of doing this? Speaking of which, what is the reasoning behind freezing all that at all?
 
dannyboy602 said:
That's great so mb I should make a thread and a poll or something? We'll need as many volunteers as possible. The poll will be used to count the number of interested growers who will take part in the experiment. Really it doesn't need to be 100 but a large number is important to give the results more weight. The guidelines should be easy enough. Use the technique Chuck highlighted so we're all on the same page and photograph your progress. That way there will be transparency so each study member's results can be verified. There will be a thread for the study results with pix. Does this seem like it might work? Thoughts? Suggestions?
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You'll probably want to start a new thread just to get volunteers. I doubt everyone on the site has read through this entire thread with what at first glance seems like a collision of big dawgs.
 
And if you don't mind posting the link to the new thread here so we can just hop on over. I know that's needless to say, but this is my way of bumpBUMPBUMPITUP
 
Studies behind trichome production:

"Leaf trichomes protect plants from attack by insect herbivores and are often induced following damage. Hormonal regulation of this plant induction response has not been previously studied. In a series of experiments, we addressed the effects of artificial damage, jasmonic acid, salicylic acid, and gibberellin on induction of trichomes in Arabidopsis. Artificial damage and jasmonic acid caused significant increases in trichome production of leaves. The jar1-1 mutant exhibited normal trichome induction following treatment with jasmonic acid, suggesting that adenylation of jasmonic acid is not necessary. Salicylic acid had a negative effect on trichome production and consistently reduced the effect of jasmonic acid, suggesting negative cross-talk between the jasmonate and salicylate-dependent defense pathways. Interestingly, the effect of salicylic acid persisted in the nim1-1 mutant, suggesting that the Npr1/Nim1 gene is not downstream of salicylic acid in the negative regulation of trichome production. Last, we found that gibberellin and jasmonic acid had a synergistic effect on the induction of trichomes, suggesting important interactions between these two compounds."
- http://www.citeulike.org/group/2438/article/853395

"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The plants that received no treatment are progressing as Bubblicious always does, with light visible trichs on the buds, but very little frosting on the sugar leaves.

The plants that received jasmonic acid treatment only, show heavy visible trichs on the buds, as well as a light frosting of trichomes on the sugar leaves.

The plants that received the mix of jasmonic acid and gibberellic acid also show heavy visible trichs on the buds, a light frosting of trichomes on the sugar leaves AND a great deal of FOXTAILING. Foxtailing is considered a disagreeable trait by most gardeners.[/FONT]"
- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=200972

For those of you who may not know what foxtailing is:
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/379782-what-fox-tailing-5.html

A place to buy jasmonic acid spray:
http://www.jazsprays.com/JAZ-Plant-Strengthener_p_14.html

Interesting stuff, huh? Maybe something to experiment with.
 
profterpen said:
Actually I just started both this account and the blog. Good detective work Spanky. I see you've been lied to a lot in your life and lash out as a protective mechanism. It'll all be okay bro, I won't share your weaknesses with an of my fellow fish. Wait you already did that. For the record I could care less about your comment, I'm not looking for approval. Your mom gave me all I need.

Not creating a mother plant from a clone: Clones do not develop a taproot, only what is generally referred to as fiberous root. Difference Spanky? Taproots grow down, (kind of what you seem to be doing, adults don't lash out for no reason) and fiberous roots grow out. The taproot is, in my mind, and a few other idiots minds out there; first the anchor and is mostly believed to aid in mostly vegetative growth. Kind of like your parents should have anchored you down and contributed more to your childhood manners. A mother plant or what I call my sexy mama's spends her entire life growing in only the veg state. Reason stands that to have the healthiest mother plant you would want to give her the best equipment right?

Back to my point, turning a clone into a mother plant is not a good idea. I don't consider this very advanced subject but I did use easy words for you and I spoke slowly and clearly when I typed. If you need a glossary for any of the terms I used I'll be happy to send you one.

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Bet your all hopped up now you stain. Next time you decide to belittle a stranger and call them out make sure their not smarter than you. And according to your mom when I was "teaching" her the difference between a pistillate and a staminate you shouldn't be belittling anyone. Now get mad, report me as a bad guy like the rat fink you are, type something that makes you sound super cool and tough. Then go wrap some soft wet paper towel around your one nut and sit in a warm dark place for 3 days. Maybe with your expertise you can grow another nut.

Hey nice meeting you and look forward to see you cry words, try the defense that I'm over compensating and feel threatened by your many post and omniscient knowledge sprinkled with that witty charm only Spanky could pull of.

Prof. Terpen
The 420 Institute
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lol- now I know for sure the prof. is not some dipshit kid, he said "stain" and I used to use that slang in my youth.

profterpen........welcome to RUI.
 
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