400w Querkle Grow
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psyte
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10/22/11
Clones:
Noticed a bit of what looks like mold in the soil of a couple of the clone cups. Scraped it out. I've had these in the dome longer than I normally do so it's time to start acclimating them much more. Opened the vents on the dome and keeping humidity around 60-70%.
10/23/11
#3 (and to a lesser extent #4) is still getting spotting on some leaves. I'm starting to think it may actually be deficiency since these two are the lightest and have yellowing or falling off cotyledon while #1 and 2 are actually getting more growth and it looks like an actual node from their cotyledon.
First 2 pics show the spotting appearing on #3. 4th pic shows yellowing cotyledon on #4 (#3's have all but fallen off). Last two pics show new growth coming out of the cotyledon of #1 and 2.
Clones:
Took dome off of all clones for 4 hrs and left #2 out for an additional 4hrs. #3 looks pretty bad. #1 and 4 are questionable. #2 should make it.
10/24/11
I am now seeing more signs that my previous diagnosis of nutrient burn on #2, 3, and 4 was wrong. Since my last post, I've been noticing these plants are all getting slightly lighter, especially older growth. I do think the initial problem seen on the 2nd node fan leaf was burn, but this then led me to interpret all problems as overfeeding and hold off continuing to feed the plants for too long which appears to be resulting in overall deficiency.
Foliar fed #3 and 4 with 1tbsp/gal 5-1-1 fish emulsion since it will be another day or so until plants are ready to be watered again. Did not foliar feed #2 so I could leave it as a sort of control as it is starting to show the same symptoms as #3 and 4, only less severe.
Clones:
Dome off for 2 hrs, back on for 5 (I had to go somewhere and couldn't monitor them), off for 7 hrs and then back on overnight. Clones doing a bit better than I thought. Figured #3 would have collapsed by now. Going to see if we can go all day without dome tomorrow. I think it's about time to let them sink or swim.
Clones:
Noticed a bit of what looks like mold in the soil of a couple of the clone cups. Scraped it out. I've had these in the dome longer than I normally do so it's time to start acclimating them much more. Opened the vents on the dome and keeping humidity around 60-70%.
10/23/11
#3 (and to a lesser extent #4) is still getting spotting on some leaves. I'm starting to think it may actually be deficiency since these two are the lightest and have yellowing or falling off cotyledon while #1 and 2 are actually getting more growth and it looks like an actual node from their cotyledon.
First 2 pics show the spotting appearing on #3. 4th pic shows yellowing cotyledon on #4 (#3's have all but fallen off). Last two pics show new growth coming out of the cotyledon of #1 and 2.
Clones:
Took dome off of all clones for 4 hrs and left #2 out for an additional 4hrs. #3 looks pretty bad. #1 and 4 are questionable. #2 should make it.
10/24/11
I am now seeing more signs that my previous diagnosis of nutrient burn on #2, 3, and 4 was wrong. Since my last post, I've been noticing these plants are all getting slightly lighter, especially older growth. I do think the initial problem seen on the 2nd node fan leaf was burn, but this then led me to interpret all problems as overfeeding and hold off continuing to feed the plants for too long which appears to be resulting in overall deficiency.
Foliar fed #3 and 4 with 1tbsp/gal 5-1-1 fish emulsion since it will be another day or so until plants are ready to be watered again. Did not foliar feed #2 so I could leave it as a sort of control as it is starting to show the same symptoms as #3 and 4, only less severe.
Clones:
Dome off for 2 hrs, back on for 5 (I had to go somewhere and couldn't monitor them), off for 7 hrs and then back on overnight. Clones doing a bit better than I thought. Figured #3 would have collapsed by now. Going to see if we can go all day without dome tomorrow. I think it's about time to let them sink or swim.
bigjesse1922
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Were the lights on when you watered?
psyte
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Yes, and I was wondering about that actually. Maybe this strain is just more sensitive to it, but I've never had this happen with my other two strains watered under the same lighting conditions.
Also, I forgot to mention that it may not be completely related to watering. I've noticed that since it has gotten colder, there is a bigger drop in temperature and raise in RH when the HPS in the other tent goes off at 8pm (Veg lights stay on until 12am; both tents are in a very small room just big enough for them). A couple hours after the HPS goes off, the temp in the veg tent has dropped about 5 degrees and RH has gone up about 5%. This is around the time I saw the wilt the first time. I started watching the plants daily and even up to the day they needed water they would droop a bit around this time. Also, I watered yesterday and it didn't droop quite as bad as the last time I watered, so overwatering was probably a factor, but not the only one.
Also, I forgot to mention that it may not be completely related to watering. I've noticed that since it has gotten colder, there is a bigger drop in temperature and raise in RH when the HPS in the other tent goes off at 8pm (Veg lights stay on until 12am; both tents are in a very small room just big enough for them). A couple hours after the HPS goes off, the temp in the veg tent has dropped about 5 degrees and RH has gone up about 5%. This is around the time I saw the wilt the first time. I started watching the plants daily and even up to the day they needed water they would droop a bit around this time. Also, I watered yesterday and it didn't droop quite as bad as the last time I watered, so overwatering was probably a factor, but not the only one.
psyte
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Here is a before and after showing the wilt.
First pic was taken at about 7pm on 10/25 right before watering/feeding.
Second pic was taken at about 9:30pm, about two hours after watering.
The nightly mystery wilt that happens regardless of whether I have recently watered is only about half as bad. Plants always look great the next morning.
First pic was taken at about 7pm on 10/25 right before watering/feeding.
Second pic was taken at about 9:30pm, about two hours after watering.
The nightly mystery wilt that happens regardless of whether I have recently watered is only about half as bad. Plants always look great the next morning.
psyte
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The tents leak a bit of light and the vent hole placement could be better, but they work good in my setup and like you said, can't beat the price. They seem to be good quality materials too, which is surprising considering my experiences with their other products.
Probably. I still don't understand the nightly wilt, but it may be a lingering effect of overwatering.
psyte
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10/25/11
Watered plants. #3 & 4 received 1tsp/gal 30-10-10. #1 & 2 received .5tsp/gal (#1 because it's doing fine and looking good, #2 could have maybe used 1tsp, but keeping it as a sort of control again). Some droop after watering, but I really don't think I overwatered this time as they took quite a bit more water than last time and the medium seemed much more dry. Also noticed that one of the T5 bulbs has burned out. It was the bulb in the back that I can't really see since the light is so low right now, so I'm not sure how long it's been out. Replaced it.
Clones:
Dome off for 12 hrs. Didn't look so great after this (except #2). Put dome back on overnight.
10/26/11
Plants are 1 month old today (30 days for all but #2 which is 31 days). Took measurements:
#1 = 6"
#2 = 7"
#3 = 8"
#4 = 6.5"
I read Querkle is a slow vegger in a lot of other journals, but damn.
Clones:
Took all clones out of dome at 7am. Watered for first time with plain tap as medium is starting to dry out. Looking about the same at the end of the day, so dome is not going to be put back on at all. If any of them die without the dome at this point then fuck em.
10/28/11
Looks like the plants may finally be taking off. #3 grew an inch since yesterday.
Was planning another foliar feed today, but I think they're all on the right track now and it's not worth the hassle or awful smell of fish emulsion.
Clones:
Still no signs of roots, but #2 is growing very slowly and #1 has perked up a bit. Not much change in #3 & 4 but at least they aren't any worse.
As a side note, I have had a blue cheese clone in a similar mix (1:3 FFOF to Perlite in the entire cup) for over 3 weeks and it's completely stunted. Can't see any roots and it doesn't get any bigger, still looks just like the day it was cut. It's even been fed .5tsp/gal 20-20-20 a couple times recently and nothing happens. Hopefully that's not the fate of these clones.
Watered plants. #3 & 4 received 1tsp/gal 30-10-10. #1 & 2 received .5tsp/gal (#1 because it's doing fine and looking good, #2 could have maybe used 1tsp, but keeping it as a sort of control again). Some droop after watering, but I really don't think I overwatered this time as they took quite a bit more water than last time and the medium seemed much more dry. Also noticed that one of the T5 bulbs has burned out. It was the bulb in the back that I can't really see since the light is so low right now, so I'm not sure how long it's been out. Replaced it.
Clones:
Dome off for 12 hrs. Didn't look so great after this (except #2). Put dome back on overnight.
10/26/11
Plants are 1 month old today (30 days for all but #2 which is 31 days). Took measurements:
#1 = 6"
#2 = 7"
#3 = 8"
#4 = 6.5"
I read Querkle is a slow vegger in a lot of other journals, but damn.
Clones:
Took all clones out of dome at 7am. Watered for first time with plain tap as medium is starting to dry out. Looking about the same at the end of the day, so dome is not going to be put back on at all. If any of them die without the dome at this point then fuck em.
10/28/11
Looks like the plants may finally be taking off. #3 grew an inch since yesterday.
Was planning another foliar feed today, but I think they're all on the right track now and it's not worth the hassle or awful smell of fish emulsion.
Clones:
Still no signs of roots, but #2 is growing very slowly and #1 has perked up a bit. Not much change in #3 & 4 but at least they aren't any worse.
As a side note, I have had a blue cheese clone in a similar mix (1:3 FFOF to Perlite in the entire cup) for over 3 weeks and it's completely stunted. Can't see any roots and it doesn't get any bigger, still looks just like the day it was cut. It's even been fed .5tsp/gal 20-20-20 a couple times recently and nothing happens. Hopefully that's not the fate of these clones.
psyte
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Could be. Especially since I have the temp drop a couple hours before lights off now. Maybe simulates nature closer or something. Who knows.
In any event it doesn't seem to be causing any problems so I'm not too worried about it.
How's your grow going?
psyte
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10/29/11
Watered all with 1tsp/gal 30-10-10.
#3 and 4 are clearly greening up well and now #2, the control, is a bit lighter than the others.
The plants have been wilting all day. I thought they may have been underwatered because the pots were very dry this time, but they did not recover after watering (which was at 3pm).
10/30/11
Checked plants right after lights came on this morning and all are perked back up and looking great.
10/31/11
Today is 5 weeks since seedlings sprouted. They didn't really continue their growth spurt and seem to be growing slowly again.
Three of the plants are starting to show the very beginning of preflowers (no alternating nodes yet). My wife and I both checked independently came up with the same thing:
#1 - Too early, no preflowers
#2 - Female
#3 - Male
#4 - Male
#4 is the crappiest plant (it's leaning like crazy and has mutantish leaves) plus it's clone looks really bad, so it will probably be destroyed once it's certain it's a male.
#3 I may keep to try to flower and collect pollen.
#2 is a great looking plant and has the best looking clone right now, so it could be a good keeper female.
But we're both hoping #1 is female. Although it's the slowest grower, it is very bushy and has tight internode spacing; plus it has been the most low maintenance of all four plants.
Some pics taken today:
All plants and their clones.
Plants 1-4 and a closeup of plant 4 leaning more and more as it grows.
Clones. First pic is #1, then two pics of #2 (new growth but no visible roots yet), then a pic of #3, finally a pic of #4 (which is getting closer to the trash can every day).
Watered all with 1tsp/gal 30-10-10.
#3 and 4 are clearly greening up well and now #2, the control, is a bit lighter than the others.
The plants have been wilting all day. I thought they may have been underwatered because the pots were very dry this time, but they did not recover after watering (which was at 3pm).
10/30/11
Checked plants right after lights came on this morning and all are perked back up and looking great.
10/31/11
Today is 5 weeks since seedlings sprouted. They didn't really continue their growth spurt and seem to be growing slowly again.
Three of the plants are starting to show the very beginning of preflowers (no alternating nodes yet). My wife and I both checked independently came up with the same thing:
#1 - Too early, no preflowers
#2 - Female
#3 - Male
#4 - Male
#4 is the crappiest plant (it's leaning like crazy and has mutantish leaves) plus it's clone looks really bad, so it will probably be destroyed once it's certain it's a male.
#3 I may keep to try to flower and collect pollen.
#2 is a great looking plant and has the best looking clone right now, so it could be a good keeper female.
But we're both hoping #1 is female. Although it's the slowest grower, it is very bushy and has tight internode spacing; plus it has been the most low maintenance of all four plants.
Some pics taken today:
All plants and their clones.
Plants 1-4 and a closeup of plant 4 leaning more and more as it grows.
Clones. First pic is #1, then two pics of #2 (new growth but no visible roots yet), then a pic of #3, finally a pic of #4 (which is getting closer to the trash can every day).
psyte
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To give a basic idea of my setup, took some pics of the grow room, ventilation system, and a table of various stuff and junk in the basement.
The room itself is so small it just fits the tents so I couldn't get a very good pic of the overall space. But you get the idea.
The room itself is so small it just fits the tents so I couldn't get a very good pic of the overall space. But you get the idea.
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11/01/11
Watered plants with 1tsp/gal 20-20-20 to give a little P and K boost since they've been getting only high N fert so far. I think the 30-10-10 is probably fine all through veg, this is kind of a "just in case" boost. Will resume 30-10-10 again next time. New growth is getting very green and looking good. All are quite bushy plants with a dense canopy.
#2 is absolutely female (found one preflower with two distinct tiny pistils coming out). I'm 99.9% sure #4 is male. Still pretty sure #3 is male. #1 still showing no signs at all.
Clones:
Watered with .25tsp/gal 20-20-20. I messed up a bit and let the top layer get pretty dry.
#4 is wilted almost completely. #1 has very shriveled little fan leaves, but the stalk and growth tip still look okay. #2 looking really good with new growth, but also yellowing tips and looking a bit hungry. #3 appears to be starting new growth.
Flushed them all real good with amount of solution equal to volume of soil because two of them look like there may have been a bit of mold growing inside (it may also just be a pocket of fine perlite). Luckily there's no sign of this on #2. Mostly flushed in an attempt try to get rid of (or at least disturb) any mold that may be in there. Not sure if it will work, but they needed watering anyway.
Watered plants with 1tsp/gal 20-20-20 to give a little P and K boost since they've been getting only high N fert so far. I think the 30-10-10 is probably fine all through veg, this is kind of a "just in case" boost. Will resume 30-10-10 again next time. New growth is getting very green and looking good. All are quite bushy plants with a dense canopy.
#2 is absolutely female (found one preflower with two distinct tiny pistils coming out). I'm 99.9% sure #4 is male. Still pretty sure #3 is male. #1 still showing no signs at all.
Clones:
Watered with .25tsp/gal 20-20-20. I messed up a bit and let the top layer get pretty dry.
#4 is wilted almost completely. #1 has very shriveled little fan leaves, but the stalk and growth tip still look okay. #2 looking really good with new growth, but also yellowing tips and looking a bit hungry. #3 appears to be starting new growth.
Flushed them all real good with amount of solution equal to volume of soil because two of them look like there may have been a bit of mold growing inside (it may also just be a pocket of fine perlite). Luckily there's no sign of this on #2. Mostly flushed in an attempt try to get rid of (or at least disturb) any mold that may be in there. Not sure if it will work, but they needed watering anyway.
psyte
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The preflowers on #2-4 are now big enough for my camera to focus on so I took some pics last night.
#1 is still being shy and not showing anything yet.
Put the kids to bed, it's time for some weed porn.
Here is #2, Female. The pistils are still a bit too small for my crappy camera to focus on, but you can just see them even though they're kind of blurry. Also compare the difference in shape to the upcoming male pics.
Here is plant #3, Male:
#4, Male:
And I was pretty stoned when taking pics, so here's some bonus pics of a ladybug living in a forest of weed:
#1 is still being shy and not showing anything yet.
Put the kids to bed, it's time for some weed porn.
Here is #2, Female. The pistils are still a bit too small for my crappy camera to focus on, but you can just see them even though they're kind of blurry. Also compare the difference in shape to the upcoming male pics.
Here is plant #3, Male:
#4, Male:
And I was pretty stoned when taking pics, so here's some bonus pics of a ladybug living in a forest of weed:
psyte
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Canopy is getting pretty dense and quickly filling up all the area under my light.
I'll probably destroy #4 in the next day or two.
I'm sure I'll get over it after a few crops, but I just hate destroying plants.
#3 I plan on letting preflower a bit further before separating it to another room for 12/12 so I can try to get some pollen.
I'll probably destroy #4 in the next day or two.
I'm sure I'll get over it after a few crops, but I just hate destroying plants.
#3 I plan on letting preflower a bit further before separating it to another room for 12/12 so I can try to get some pollen.
great job all the info is very interesting and very well put togethere.im a newbi on my 1st indoor grow. at the min im 2 weeks into flower with 1 blue chesse
1 g13 haze and 1 vannaila kush. under a 600 hps.i also had a drooping prob i thought i was under watering. im using plagron all mix for soil so i thought that had
all nutes for 6 weeks. 7 days ago i started feeding baby bio for herbs[low budget went mad on light and carbon filter and money is vvery low]the npk is
5.5.5 plants are flying since. no droopin at all .as said im a newbi would i get a result if i continued with this feed. keep up the good posting
every day is a school day 4 me
1 g13 haze and 1 vannaila kush. under a 600 hps.i also had a drooping prob i thought i was under watering. im using plagron all mix for soil so i thought that had
all nutes for 6 weeks. 7 days ago i started feeding baby bio for herbs[low budget went mad on light and carbon filter and money is vvery low]the npk is
5.5.5 plants are flying since. no droopin at all .as said im a newbi would i get a result if i continued with this feed. keep up the good posting
every day is a school day 4 me