4000 watt Sour Grapes & Space Queen coco grow

infrared · Jan 3, 2012

Great looking plants, noman! I've been watching SubCool's recent glut of YouTube videos over the holidays and can't wait to see how the Space Queen turns out.

Noticed this a while back as I was getting caught up:

nomaninsf said:
That's what I'm doing with my smaller grow. I have a Vortex fan pulling air from outside the tent and through the hood to cool the light. It's cold this time of year so instead of exhausting outside I'm exhausting that air to the rest of the house. Free heating. I have a Can Fan for bringing fresh air into the tent.

So how exactly does that work? I'm guessing you keep the fans on for the central ventilation system, but no heat? Forgive my ignorance here regarding HVAC, but I love the idea of 'recycling' here and would love to be able to actually use that heat for something during the cold months.

nomaninsf · Jan 3, 2012

infrared said:
So how exactly does that work? I'm guessing you keep the fans on for the central ventilation system, but no heat? Forgive my ignorance here regarding HVAC, but I love the idea of 'recycling' here and would love to be able to actually use that heat for something during the cold months.

Instead of exhausting outside I ran my ducting to a vent on the grow room door that vents to the rest of the house.

infrared · Jan 3, 2012

Thanks for the quick reply. I just read through your Green Cush tester and subbed to that one as well. Excited to see how it turns out because I wanna get rid of all the fluff in favor of a canopy filled with big tops

nomaninsf said:
Instead of exhausting outside I ran my ducting to a vent on the grow room door that vents to the rest of the house.

Is that an intake vent?

And how does the air circulate throughout the rest of your home?

nomaninsf · Jan 3, 2012

infrared said:
Is that an intake vent?

And how does the air circulate throughout the rest of your home?

The tent is in a room. The hot exhaust runs from the tent to the door of the room the tent is in and blows it through a hole in the door into the hallway. It's a single story house so within about an hour of the lights being on the hot air blowing into the hallway spreads to the rest of the house and warms everything up.

303 · Jan 3, 2012

Nice grow, I too am running 4 ochos, I just discovered the Luxor.. They're more compact and supposedly spreads more light vertically, perfect for compact grow spaces.. Worth checking out....

nomaninsf · Jan 3, 2012

303 said:
Nice grow, I too am running 4 ochos, I just discovered the Luxor.. They're more compact and supposedly spreads more light vertically, perfect for compact grow spaces.. Worth checking out....

Thanks. I'll check them out. I need to buy 6 new reflectors soon so I can upgrade to a 10,000 watt grow. Those might come in handy. I'll see if my grow store can loan me a sample to demo.

dickkhead · Jan 3, 2012

I can get led for great prices!! with a 3 year warranty! im talking some big boys 900 or 1200 watters! Pm me if your interesed.

nomaninsf · Jan 3, 2012

dickkhead said:
I can get led for great prices!! with a 3 year warranty! im talking some big boys 900 or 1200 watters! Pm me if your interesed.

LED's are still crap these days. Not saying they can't produce nice buds bud the yield and overall quality/size/denseness/etc..... still doesn't stand up to an HID setup. I bet LED's will surpass HID one day but it's not happening now. Thanks anyways though!

nomaninsf · Jan 4, 2012

I cut down a Sour Grapes and Space Queen Plant today. Not a thorough flush but I'm low on smoke and it will give me a heads up on how the future harvest is going to be. I picked a couple of the smaller plants. Since a lot of weight can be put on during that last week I didn't want to pull the big girls and risk losing lots of extra yield.

nomaninsf · Jan 4, 2012

And after the trim

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and the tray with fan leaves removed but before the trim
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nomaninsf · Jan 4, 2012

sour grapes and space queen single plant harvest pics

dickkhead · Jan 4, 2012

I'd have to disagree. the start up cost is more but you also save 80% on electricity,have you looked into some led grows? The key is to match led watt for watt! If you want hos results. Besides that your plants look tasty

nomaninsf · Jan 4, 2012

dickkhead said:
I'd have to disagree. the start up cost is more but you also save 80% on electricity,have you looked into some led grows? The key is to match led watt for watt! If you want hos results. Besides that your plants look tasty

They save on electricity but they are so damn expensive and they don't compare in performance. My friend dropped a stupid amount of money on two of the UFO led lights. I think he paid over $3000 for the two lights. They were supposed to be rated as stronger than a 1000 watt HID light but they produced much less yield than my 1000w HPS lamps and his plants took an 3 weeks longer from start to finish. 2 weeks more veg and 1 week more flowering. The growth rates are a lot slower with LED's

Bird Gymnastics · Jan 4, 2012

str8sativa said:
ive never tried not doin the last three weeks just water, and i never said it was outdoor grow..... and when i say flush i mean cutting out nutes and just watering, i just wanna make sure all nutrients in the soil are used up by harvest. and i just figure it would be more pure and taste better with the least amount of nutes possible. whats the point in giving it nutes the last week or two if there not gonna be used?

nomaninsf said:
I'm not sure what they put in Purple Maxx. I tried it on my plants solely based on stories I heard from friends and other growers. Whatever is in it works. It's really strong though so take caution so you don't burn your plants.

From the day I switch to 12/12 I like to give my plants Open Sesame from FF or Bud Blood from AN to initiate early flowering. During the first couple weeks I feed them my base nutes 6ml/gal, open sesame 1/2 tsp/gal, thrive alive 12ml/gal, calmag 5ml/gal, humic acid 8ml/gal, protekt 2ml/gal, hygrozyme 8ml/gal, and roots excelurator 1ml/gal. I also add 5 scoops per 10 gallons of great white mycorrhizae once or twice a week until 2 weeks before harvest. I use diamond nectar humic acid instead of technaflora so application rates might differ on those products. I used to use boost but the cost to ratio output didn't make it worth while to keep in my rotation. I did controlled tests and saw some improvement but I was spending over $1000 per grow just on boost and it wasn't worth it. I only used the canna coco line so I can't comment on their bio/bioterra lineup.

You are going to see the best response from co2 in your flowering room. Unless you have a crazy budget I wouldn't add them to your clone and veg tents because of the cost/effect ration. I honestly can't say what your start up costs would be. Find the cubic feet of your flowering tents and find a co2 burner that matches up with the specs. Then it's up to you doing research in the burners spec sheets to find out the rates of co2 used and multiply that buy the cost of gas added to the costs of the unit. If your room exhaust is passive you don't want to use co2 as it will be exhausted as it's made and you'll be wasting money.

Great stuff so far but I'm curious as to how your stuff tastes vs not using Purplemaxx? Also I saw that you said you saw improvements while using the bio boost, can I pick your mind as to what those improvements were? I'm running 12 ml bioflores, 10ml bio boost, 5ml ca/mg, 2ml technaflora kelp, 5 ml thrive alive green, 10 ml Fulpower and 5-10ml hygrozyme. So far I've seen amazing results but I was just wondering what benefits you noticed? You obviously have more experience then me!

nomaninsf · Jan 4, 2012

Bird Gymnastics said:
Great stuff so far but I'm curious as to how your stuff tastes vs not using Purplemaxx? Also I saw that you said you saw improvements while using the bio boost, can I pick your mind as to what those improvements were? I'm running 12 ml bioflores, 10ml bio boost, 5ml ca/mg, 2ml technaflora kelp, 5 ml thrive alive green, 10 ml Fulpower and 5-10ml hygrozyme. So far I've seen amazing results but I was just wondering what benefits you noticed? You obviously have more experience then me!

Not any taste difference that I can tell in the past. There's a stronger high because of the increased trichome production. I have noticed that if you use it too much early on with some strains that it will lower yield. On my next grow I will ad a PK supplement every other feeding to see how much extra bulk I can add on. Your nute lineup sounds good. I used Boost, not the Bio Boost. The Bio is organic but my grow store and other growers said you get less bang for your buck with the Bio version. I noticed good quality buds without any burn like you might see when using or experimenting with PK boosters. The downside is that unlike PK boosters, the boost didn't add as much weight as some other nutrients I've used and it also costs an arm and a leg. Great stuff but too pricey, especially when using the full 15ml per gallon. The best results were at 15ml per gallon from my experience.

supchaka · Jan 4, 2012

dickkhead said:
I'd have to disagree. the start up cost is more but you also save 80% on electricity,have you looked into some led grows? The key is to match led watt for watt! If you want hos results. Besides that your plants look tasty

If you do actually go watt for watt then you're pulling the same exact power as whatever light you compare to. No power savings at all there. The only plus side will be if you can go 5+ years without buying a bulb. A bs 240 pulls abut 135 watts, which is a bit less than a 150hps but I wonder how much it could outperform that hps, if at all.

Bird Gymnastics · Jan 4, 2012

nomaninsf said:
Not any taste difference that I can tell in the past. There's a stronger high because of the increased trichome production. I have noticed that if you use it too much early on with some strains that it will lower yield. On my next grow I will ad a PK supplement every other feeding to see how much extra bulk I can add on. Your nute lineup sounds good. I used Boost, not the Bio Boost. The Bio is organic but my grow store and other growers said you get less bang for your buck with the Bio version. I noticed good quality buds without any burn like you might see when using or experimenting with PK boosters. The downside is that unlike PK boosters, the boost didn't add as much weight as some other nutrients I've used and it also costs an arm and a leg. Great stuff but too pricey, especially when using the full 15ml per gallon. The best results were at 15ml per gallon from my experience.

Sorry for assuming you used the bio line...I guess it was that you grew with 100% coco that threw me off. I'm in soil but I will probably run a test to see how the Purplemaxx works. Did you do it every feeding or did you switch it up? I have never used boosters before. I've only grown organic and it's pretty hard to beat the taste, except when it comes to coco grows.

your results seem promising so I figured I'd have it give it a try. Do you like using pure coco coir, or coco blocks?

dickkhead · Jan 4, 2012

supchaka said:
If you do actually go watt for watt then you're pulling the same exact power as whatever light you compare to. No power savings at all there. The only plus side will be if you can go 5+ years without buying a bulb. A bs 240 pulls abut 135 watts, which is a bit less than a 150hps but I wonder how much it could outperform that hps, if at all.

I have a 500 watt BS and 3 900 about to flower my ladies. im doing comparson grows on leds I have the solar storm and isunlight which is an all white spectrum led, should be interesting which one comes out on top!

nomaninsf said:
They save on electricity but they are so damn expensive and they don't compare in performance. My friend dropped a stupid amount of money on two of the UFO led lights. I think he paid over $3000 for the two lights. They were supposed to be rated as stronger than a 1000 watt HID light but they produced much less yield than my 1000w HPS lamps and his plants took an 3 weeks longer from start to finish. 2 weeks more veg and 1 week more flowering. The growth rates are a lot slower with LED's

I have some ladies in veg right now under a 500 watt bs HO and there thriving. im about to fire some 900 so maybe it will change your opinions when i get some pics posted.
ufos are usually small and if he paid 3g's he got taken advantage of. I could of gotten him 3 900 for that price!

dickkhead · Jan 4, 2012

nomaninsf said:
Not any taste difference that I can tell in the past. There's a stronger high because of the increased trichome production. I have noticed that if you use it too much early on with some strains that it will lower yield. On my next grow I will ad a PK supplement every other feeding to see how much extra bulk I can add on. Your nute lineup sounds good. I used Boost, not the Bio Boost. The Bio is organic but my grow store and other growers said you get less bang for your buck with the Bio version. I noticed good quality buds without any burn like you might see when using or experimenting with PK boosters. The downside is that unlike PK boosters, the boost didn't add as much weight as some other nutrients I've used and it also costs an arm and a leg. Great stuff but too pricey, especially when using the full 15ml per gallon. The best results were at 15ml per gallon from my experience.

Im about to use the canna pk 13/14 you have any experience with this?

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