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derfmasta

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That's not quite right. Cannabis is biblical, but not the forbidden fruit. It's actually referred to as one of the ingredients in the 'mud" That Jesus smeared upon people to cure them..Simpson oil if you will. tons references in the bible, all of which indicate that it was not the forbidden fruit, rather placed here to be freely used.

But that's a whole different argument.
You do know that the creation of man story was penned by a religion. Which still looks a Christ as a vagabond.

Could it be that was the split of Christianity & jewish religons. He accepted meds from the Muslims?

Love it politics & religious arguments in the same thread. Lol sorry back on topic.

If our leaders will not stop we need to tie there hands. Help.repealtoday.org. we all know mj is not dangerous what so ever to your body. The only danger is to the profits of mega corps run by nazis.
 

bob harris

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Every law, when first voted in, is vague. Every law is then amended. Cannabis will be no different. Timmahh, you just want to fight for fighting's sake. I've read the bills, not just the titles. If you want to help shape the way the med law gets amended, and amended it will be, then pick battles that make sense.

To simply scream that no changes should be made, is a cry of ignorance. Any state rep would laugh at you and dismiss you as a zealot.

How can you argue with a picture on your ID?
So what if cannabis has to be transported in the trunk. Explain to me why you need it in the passenger cabin.
Sentencing guidelines are legitimate for any crime..and selling cannabis outside of the medical limitations is a crime.

That leaves "bonafide" Dr patient relationship. As you pointed out, the 3 Dr's you spoke to couldn't work with that restriction. OH That's right, they were CERTIFICATION Doctors...the same motel room Dr's I mentioned.
Yes, it would make it more difficult for patients to conform...it would also put the fly by night $200 certifies your hangnail as legitimate motel room Dr's, and considerably slow the issuance of cards to people with no real medical condition that qualifies.

Do you honestly believe the "will of the people" when this law was voted in was to have Profiteering Dr's signing off on anyone to get certified, even when no documented evidence exists that they have a qualifying condition?

For someone with a documented, legitimate qualifying condition, that would mean finding a Dr. with an established, independent practice and having an appointment for a physical, and medical documentation review, the going back again to discuss the cannabis certification. Since the Dr has an established practice (not a hotel room) the reasonable expectation of follow up is built in..you will go back next year to re cert won't you?

My point is that you do not help the cause by opposing every little thing..pick your battles. You just want to fight everything...and that comes across as not interested in making a law that works, but in making law that works for abusers. Not the intent of the people who voted this in.

You seem to have a mis conception of how this got 63% of the vote in the first place. The power of that vote came from an age group in their 40's to 60's..people who have seen loved ones suffer from cancer and other true debilitating diseases. Are you so naive as to think that young people flooded the polls?

If you think that, then don't worry. Cannabis will be legal next year. I'm sure all those people will sign the petition to get it on the ballot and turn out and vote again..so no worries. After all, thier will was to legalize cannabis in the first place.
This is my post from the first day of this thread. read it moron. Stated what I thought everyone should do..then followed my own advice. Unlike you, stuck with my theory the entire thread,,,hopefully convinced some people to do it my suggested way, then did exactly as I said I would do..been doing it all along sending letters and making phone calls.

And guess what? The people thinking my way accomplished something. You never had a chance at 'blocking" the bills. Yet you called me the idiot and traitor.
 

ozzrokk

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Your an ungrateful fk..because you were given something you wanted (the abilty to transport plants) and you couldn't even say thanks...just but I have to drive alone...you complained when given something..that's pretty much the definition of ungrateful

What do people that can't drive have to do with anything? Why should the law treat them any differently, than people who can?

I know that your opinion on her was "block these bills at all cost' along with Timmahh..so I imagine you put great effort into blocking the bills.

My message,from the start, was don't try to block them. Try to shape them...and that's where my efforts were. I was encouraging people to call and say 'hey..overall, these are good, but would you consider adding this? Here is why I think it's important. And that is what I have been doing, calling and writing sensible letters hoping to influence the way the bills are implemented. And Guess what? Along with many others who approached thing my way, we were able to make significant and important changes to the bills.....by the way, you are welcome.

So, what is it you did..oh yeah puet your effort in blocking the bills...
Let me explain it to you so you can understand. If a patient cannot drive and has to transport his plants then when someone else drives them then they are in violation. Get it now. I am supposed to be grateful that the house of reps are trying to restrict how I transport my meds or plants when the law as written does not have such restrictions? I am supposed to be grateful of them to tell me how I live my life? Like I said your own words show you are not who you say you are. As far as the rest of your bullshit. I met with reps many times. I wrote many letters and made many phone call omong many other things. I could care less what you think about anything bob because you are the enemy.
 

CharlieBud

Active Member
You do know that the creation of man story was penned by a religion. Which still looks a Christ as a vagabond. Could it be that was the split of Christianity & jewish religons. He accepted meds from the Muslims?
Jesus of Nazareth 7–2 BC/BCE to 30–36 AD/CE

Muhammad c. 26 April 570 – 8 June 632

That would truly have been a miracle.
 

cephalopod

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So what about patients with conditions that prohibit them from driving Bob? What if you had 2 full leg casts and needed to drive? That's just 1 temporary scenario.
Let me explain it to you so you can understand. If a patient cannot drive and has to transport his plants then when someone else drives them then they are in violation. Get it now. I am supposed to be grateful that the house of reps are trying to restrict how I transport my meds or plants when the law as written does not have such restrictions? I am supposed to be grateful of them to tell me how I live my life? Like I said your own words show you are not who you say you are. As far as the rest of your bullshit. I met with reps many times. I wrote many letters and made many phone call omong many other things. I could care less what you think about anything bob because you are the enemy.
 

tomcatjones

Active Member
we can do all that here, IF we take our state back to the People Glad. That is my goal...


Michigan was the 1st state to repeal alcohol prohibition. the country followed. Mi was the state that CREATED the Middle class when Henry Ford realized if he wanted to sell 5000 cars a year, he had to have people that could afford them. When H. Ford started Ford, it was estimated that only 1000 to 2000 people could afford the 400.00 price tag for this first autos. SO he Paid his workers more, creating the middle class, that could afford to purchase 10,000 cars or more a year. We need to get back to this line of logic.
1979, Michigan was the first state to add a medical marijuana law!


AND.. my fav part i heard the other day...

all confiscated medicine by the MSP would be donated to seriously ill users!
 

derfmasta

Member
Jesus of Nazareth 7–2 BC/BCE to 30–36 AD/CE

Muhammad c. 26 April 570 – 8 June 632

That would truly have been a miracle.
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Sorry should've said those whom will become Muslims. My bad for using a modern term to describe an ancient tribe of nomads. I'm no pro. But working on it.
 

bob harris

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Let me explain it to you so you can understand. If a patient cannot drive and has to transport his plants then when someone else drives them then they are in violation. Get it now. I am supposed to be grateful that the house of reps are trying to restrict how I transport my meds or plants when the law as written does not have such restrictions? I am supposed to be grateful of them to tell me how I live my life? Like I said your own words show you are not who you say you are. As far as the rest of your bullshit. I met with reps many times. I wrote many letters and made many phone call omong many other things. I could care less what you think about anything bob because you are the enemy.
Your so hung up on minutia that you can't see the big picture. In the event someone can't drive..you don't suppose they know someone that also has a card? In your mind there must be very patients who know other patients or a caregiver. I find that most patients know other patients and or caregivers. Finding a driver with a card should be simple. It's an incredibly small issue that you are making out to be huge. How often do you need to move plants? You can't see that coming and make arrangements for another cardholder to drive you?

You simply won't be happy..no matter what is done to help you or other patients..it will never be enough...
 

bob harris

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So what about patients with conditions that prohibit them from driving Bob? What if you had 2 full leg casts and needed to drive? That's just 1 temporary scenario.
Wow,,that's stretching pretty hard to find a reason to object. But IF he couldn't drive, he'd probably have some idea he was going to need move plants beforehand. so how hard would it be to find a driver with a card? Most patients know another patient or cg with a card, don't they?

And if, by incredible circumstance, he HAD to move the plants AND the only driver he could find had no card, AND he got pulled over......most cops would look at the guy who can';t drive, check the paperwork of the patient, and say have a nice day.

On the all cops are out to get me mind set, if an arrest were made, it would be thrown out so fast you wouldn't believe it.

Intent of the law has always been a recognized argument in court..still is...and the intent of this particular bill, is to allow for the moving of plants. It's limited in who can be present, but that may change before it is enacted.
 

CharlieBud

Active Member
Your so hung up on minutia that you can't see the big picture. In the event someone can't drive..you don't suppose they know someone that also has a card? In your mind there must be very patients who know other patients or a caregiver. I find that most patients know other patients and or caregivers. Finding a driver with a card should be simple. It's an incredibly small issue that you are making out to be huge. How often do you need to move plants? You can't see that coming and make arrangements for another cardholder to drive you?

You simply won't be happy..no matter what is done to help you or other patients..it will never be enough...

Rights don't come from legislation, only the abridgment of them does. All of your argument presupposes the evils of cannabis and that the government is doing us a favor by letting certain people in certain situation have access o this dangerous substance. Otherwise, why shouldn't everyone have access to it? Why is it so dangerous to you that politicians must have law enforcement look after how it is transported?
 

bob harris

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Rights don't come from legislation, only the abridgment of them does. All of your argument presupposes the evils of cannabis and that the government is doing us a favor by letting certain people in certain situation have access o this dangerous substance. Otherwise, why shouldn't everyone have access to it? Why is it so dangerous to you that politicians must have law enforcement look after how it is transported?
Wow..read my opinions again..not the twisted version that some like to portray me as saying. I'm for cannabis in every way shape and form. It's far better and less harmful than alcohol..I'd like to see it made as available as liquor.

But the way to do that isn't to take a progression towards that goal, like medical mj, and abuse it.

There is a petition for legalization floating around..get active with that. But don't preach "throw over every aspect of the government" into a forum that is designed for medical users, and medical mj.

It simply helps niether cause.
 

ozzrokk

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Your so hung up on minutia that you can't see the big picture. In the event someone can't drive..you don't suppose they know someone that also has a card? In your mind there must be very patients who know other patients or a caregiver. I find that most patients know other patients and or caregivers. Finding a driver with a card should be simple. It's an incredibly small issue that you are making out to be huge. How often do you need to move plants? You can't see that coming and make arrangements for another cardholder to drive you?

You simply won't be happy..no matter what is done to help you or other patients..it will never be enough...

If everyone in this program was stoners as you say, then maybe you have a point. So guess you could care less about anyone that never touched the stuff before and does not know people that do. But of course I shouldnt worry about those things because I am sure someone will be along to tell me how to live.
 

ozzrokk

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Wow..read my opinions again..not the twisted version that some like to portray me as saying. I'm for cannabis in every way shape and form. It's far better and less harmful than alcohol..I'd like to see it made as available as liquor.

But the way to do that isn't to take a progression towards that goal, like medical mj, and abuse it.

There is a petition for legalization floating around..get active with that. But don't preach "throw over every aspect of the government" into a forum that is designed for medical users, and medical mj.

It simply helps niether cause.
You are the one that brought it up as totally against the government. Any time anyone says ANYTHING about mistreatment in this law you saw no they were illegal and deserve it.
 

bob harris

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You are the one that brought it up as totally against the government. Any time anyone says ANYTHING about mistreatment in this law you saw no they were illegal and deserve it.

Only because you and your co-horts cant provide a case, that isn't legitimate. You want to go to Agro, king, cases with clear flaws and obvious legitimate reasons for the arrest.

Please show me 1...you claim to have thousands, so just 1, case of someone being busted, unjustly and without cause...1...
 

derfmasta

Member
Wow..read my opinions again..not the twisted version that some like to portray me as saying. I'm for cannabis in every way shape and form. It's far better and less harmful than alcohol..I'd like to see it made as available as liquor.

But the way to do that isn't to take a progression towards that goal, like medical mj, and abuse it.

There is a petition for legalization floating around..get active with that. But don't preach "throw over every aspect of the government" into a forum that is designed for medical users, and medical mj.

It simply helps niether cause.
/agree
Gosh I cannot do that.

Sorry bob
But what is a bigger violation of the law a pat who has 2.6 oz or the cop who makes said person give up all that he owns. For a law that was passed by a crooked president who was afraid of hippies. I feel the later is a bigger violation.
 

CharlieBud

Active Member
But don't preach "throw over every aspect of the government" into a forum that is designed for medical users, and medical mj.

It simply helps niether cause.
I never did. Don't put up the straw man of anarchy here buddy.

I just want them to follow the Constitution and leave my liberty alone. Yeah, by all means any abridgments of rights in the original document (like permitting slavery) should be fixed, but no rights should ever be abridged. That is what this country was founded against. Tyranny in all its forms.
 

derfmasta

Member
We need to beable to have the protections afforded by the law we passed. We don't have the police police and every cop I have met breaks the law if they take any cannabis related item from a patient. Who will be there to protect you when the SS comes for you. Look what happened to the good Germans when the Ss came for them.
 

CharlieBud

Active Member
Only because you and your co-horts cant provide a case, that isn't legitimate. You want to go to Agro, king, cases with clear flaws and obvious legitimate reasons for the arrest.

Please show me 1...you claim to have thousands, so just 1, case of someone being busted, unjustly and without cause...1...

how about lives destroyed by cases never won by the State? Money lost, days incarcerated pending trial, whatever. Loss of wages, you name it. How about no knock warrants served on patients and wrong addresses? Dog's and soldiers shot defending their homes? The damage is not only done when the case is won, just ask Jack Ruby or Randy Weaver.

I honestly hope your eyes are never opened first hand.
 

bob harris

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We need to beable to have the protections afforded by the law we passed. We don't have the police police and every cop I have met breaks the law if they take any cannabis related item from a patient. Who will be there to protect you when the SS comes for you. Look what happened to the good Germans when the Ss came for them.
Wow...seek help....the nazi's are coming, the nazi's are coming
 
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