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NoDrama

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BRabiej said:
Alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs are not used to commit mass murder so there really don't even belong here.
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Sure they are, Tobbacco alone kills 1,000 times as many people as Guns do. Alcohol related deaths account for 2.5 Million deaths each year. Who would guess one of the leading causes of accidental death in this country is prescription painkillers. More than 29,000 deaths per year.

These statistics all make death by firearm seem trivial.
 
BRabiej

BRabiej

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I mean lets just be thankful none of these idiots who have done these shootings had any real brains and were able to really gear up compared to say the Hollywood robbers of 97.
 
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NoDrama

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BRabiej said:
Right, but why continue to sell them? its not helping the issue in any way.
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Because not selling them will do nothing to alleviate society's problems. You might feel better, thinking you have stopped someone from being killed, but most likely you just got someone killed by a more gruesome and painful death. Ban the sale? Can you ban the sale in another state? If your mass murderer is hell bent on getting a assault rifle, a ban on sales in California will barely be a hindrance.
 
BRabiej

BRabiej

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NoDrama said:
Sure they are, Tobbacco alone kills 1,000 times as many people as Guns do. Alcohol related deaths account for 2.5 Million deaths each year. Who would guess one of the leading causes of accidental death in this country is prescription painkillers. More than 29,000 deaths per year.

These statistics all make death by firearm seem trivial.
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Right, but those are mostly personal choices that affect only the users other than dui related crashes.

But when was the last time someone walked into a room of people and used a bottle of alcohol, bottle of pills or a pack of cigarettes to kill 10+ people at once.
 
BRabiej

BRabiej

Member
NoDrama said:
Because not selling them will do nothing to alleviate society's problems. You might feel better, thinking you have stopped someone from being killed, but most likely you just got someone killed by a more gruesome and painful death. Ban the sale? Can you ban the sale in another state? If your mass murderer is hell bent on getting a assault rifle, a ban on sales in California will barely be a hindrance.
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Lets just remove the age limits on things I mean there gonna do it anyways.
 
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NoDrama

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BRabiej said:
I mean lets just be thankful none of these idiots who have done these shootings had any real brains and were able to really gear up compared to say the Hollywood robbers of 97.
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Why would they need Bullet Resistant body armor in a "Gun Free" zone?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ASMALLVOICE said:
Thank you for pointing that out for everyone, I meant it exactly as it sounded. If you place the term assault on the weapon, does that make the gun anymore deadly than the next. Not one bit.
Lets take it a step further, without bullets, a gun is about as useful as a fence post.
The term assault has nothing to do with the weapon, as they are all capable of the same deeds.( more people have died from handguns than assault rifles) The problem is the people, not the guns, so please save the college definitions for the classroom, cause out here in the real world, that shit don't add up.

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Asmallvoice
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You pejorate careful use of words as "college definitions"? Imo the use of words requires great care, since with a few unauthorized modifications a perfectly ordinary bit of lexicography can be turned into an Assault Word. It's what attorneys, the storm troops of the dictionary, do for a living.

So I suggest, contend, shout from the rooftops ... do not spurn the careful use of words. "Assault rifle" is a term of art to footsoldiers. Allowing the journalists their coup of imbuing the related but distinct assault words "assault weapon" with meaning, not challenging that spurious meaning at every turn, is comparable to the policy of Neville Chamberlain, even as the antimilitia with their shouldered assault words are surrounding the bastion of the gun's defenders ... would you neglect to bar the gate?

Well I, good Sir, will not accommodate the enemy quite so congenially. cn
 
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NoDrama

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BRabiej said:
Right, but those are mostly personal choices that affect only the users other than dui related crashes.

But when was the last time someone walked into a room of people and used a bottle of alcohol, bottle of pills or a pack of cigarettes to kill 10+ people at once.
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More people die in a DUI crash each year than die from being shot.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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NoDrama said:
Make all the laws you want, you will never be able to ban the ones that already exist. You can own and use high capacity magazines in California, legally.

I think that you argue about things you haven't got much knowledge about.
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How do you own and use a 11 round magazine in California? AFAIK, if you get caught, you get more time in the popo than a rapist, child molestor and murderer combined. We have that bitch Diane Fienstein to blame.

Like say a 2005 released Beretta Px4 Storm with a 17 round magazine. My understanding is you can only use the 10 round magazine with that. The 10 round magazine is color coded blue. So if a cop checks, he can instantly know you're a criminal with an illegal magazine?
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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BRabiej said:
Wait.. Which legal rifles are sold in stores and have the same caliber and firing rate as a fully automatic AR-15 with a 100 round magazine?

My point is why have these items available for general public? That's like selling grenades in the sporting department at wal-mart and trusting that people will be responsible and do the right thing.

I think that with today and the way there are so many mentally unstable people among us why have these things available at a store? Handguns, sport rifles and shotguns are deadly enough but these Assault style rifles are one kit and a magazine away from being a full on weapon of war.

Why do we need rifle's that are identical to the ones used by the military in the hands of general population? there is no good reason unless your in the boat with the guy saying "when the apocalypse happens I'll be ready" and I mean really if you really are a gun enthusiasts you know you can just trade or buy just about any gun you want through private deals. But at least if these weapons are not available for purchase at the store it lessens the chance of them slipping into the wrong hands. And that sure does not sound like a bad thing imo.
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I reject your argument on it's face. I/you/the MSM/Obama/everyone isn't talking about fully automatic AR-15's being banned, they already are for the most part. Go into 50 local gun shops and ask to see their fully automatic weapons section. There ain't one. Spin all you want, but this ENTIRE national debate is over SEMI-AUTOMATIC "tactical looking" rifles.

Furthermore, you make the classic mistake in thinking a fully automatic weapon is MORE dangerous than a semi-automatic weapon. If I was a motivated killer, given a limited amount of time, a set number of rounds and a goal of killing the largest number of people, I would choose a semi-automatic without hesitation.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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MuyLocoNC said:
I reject your argument on it's face. I/you/the MSM/Obama/everyone isn't talking about fully automatic AR-15's being banned, they already are for the most part. Go into 50 local gun shops and ask to see their fully automatic weapons section. There ain't one. Spin all you want, but this ENTIRE national debate is over SEMI-AUTOMATIC "tactical looking" rifles.

Furthermore, you make the classic mistake in thinking a fully automatic weapon is MORE dangerous than a semi-automatic weapon. If I was a motivated killer, given a limited amount of time, a set number of rounds and a goal of killing the largest number of people, I would choose a semi-automatic without hesitation.
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I dont know anyone who can shoot accurately in fully auto mode. It is more for suppression fire than anything else.

And nobody is advocating for looser gun standards, just not tighter gun standards.

Why do I care about nitpicky gun legislation regulating individual gun qualities? Slippery slope...

50 years ago you could light up and smoke a cigarette abord an airplane flying through the air. Try to do that today and you would be arrested for a terrorist act....
 
deprave

deprave

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BRabiej said:
Wait.. Which legal rifles are sold in stores and have the same caliber and firing rate as a fully automatic AR-15 with a 100 round magazine?
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like all of them dude...

This 22 has 100 magazines and fires just as fast




Larger caliber then average ar15, 300$ rifle:


 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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deprave said:
like all of them dude...

This 22 has 100 magazines and fires just as fast




Larger caliber then average ar15, 300$ rifle:
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I love my Ruger 10/22. I stuck an AimPoint on it and keep a couple 25 round mags ready to go plinking at all times. Great little rifle.
 
ASMALLVOICE

ASMALLVOICE

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deprave said:
yea and you know 22 kills more people then any gun its not a toy
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No, the gun didn't kill anyone, it was used by a PERSON to kill another, get your fucking facts straight.

There has been guns, there will always be guns, end of story.

Peace

Asmallvoice
 
SirGreenThumb

SirGreenThumb

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I swear, all these damn guns with mind control chips in them. :wall:

That's why we need heavier gun control laws, because of all these damn mind control chips. I blame Obama and total recall. :wink: :lol:
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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NoDrama said:
Sure they are, Tobbacco alone kills 1,000 times as many people as Guns do. Alcohol related deaths account for 2.5 Million deaths each year. Who would guess one of the leading causes of accidental death in this country is prescription painkillers. More than 29,000 deaths per year.

These statistics all make death by firearm seem trivial.
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Alcohol, cigarettes, and painkillers will *typically* only kill the user.

I don't care what another person does to their own body. It's none of my business.
 
luckybleu

luckybleu

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sync0s said:
Do you advocate complete elimination of civilian firearms? There has been no information on what type of firearm was used. You are just politicizing murder.
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it was again the bushmaster .223 cal ar 15 semi automatic riffle with 30 rd clip.
 
deprave

deprave

New Member
ASMALLVOICE said:
No, the gun didn't kill anyone, it was used by a PERSON to kill another, get your fucking facts straight.

There has been guns, there will always be guns, end of story.

Peace

Asmallvoice
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Explain to me how I came home today and all my guns were going off by themselves in the safe? I am turning them in tommorow, I'd prefer just to sit and be murdered while I wait for the police to arrive and do some paperwork.
 
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