4 Firemen shot 2 killed

cannabineer said:

No. The defining characteristic of an assault rifle is select-fire, i. e. at least semi-and full-auto, selectable by means of the safety switch. Burst mode is optional.
The gun you described is semi-auto only and thus not an assault rifle.
(Minor quibble: ARs do not use clips, but magazines. And the idea of an "illegal magazine" boggles the mind.)

I will not use the term "assault weapon" because it is a dishonest fabrication by journalists and their editors. cn

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http://www.proguns.com/assaultrifles.asp I guess it comes down to preference at this point because I consider it an assault rifle. for 200$ possibly cheaper if your a gun enthusiast this AR-15 can be made fully automatic with a huge magazine its not hard to do. I mean this thing is badass enough with just a huge magazine alone.

But I do support the ban of guns like this even if they are "Assault-style" there is a thin line there.. Its just one Assault away from being an Assault weapon.

If things like this were not available to the general public it might save some lives the next time someone wants to go shoot some innocent people up.

Here in California we are not allowed to posses high capacity magazines they are considered Illegal. mind boggling!

Anyways I'm done with this post it has gotten way off topic.


Merry Christmas Everyone!!

BRabiej said:

http://www.proguns.com/assaultrifles.asp I guess it comes down to preference at this point because I consider it an assault rifle. for 200$ possibly cheaper if your a gun enthusiast this AR-15 can be made fully automatic with a huge magazine its not hard to do. I mean this thing is badass enough with just a huge magazine alone.

But I do support the ban of guns like this even if they are "Assault-style" there is a thin line there.. Its just one Assault away from being an Assault weapon.

If things like this were not available to the general public it might save some lives the next time someone wants to go shoot some innocent people up.

Here in California we are not allowed to posses high capacity magazines they are considered Illegal. mind boggling!

Anyways I'm done with this post it has gotten way off topic.


Merry Christmas Everyone!!

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Well guess who's not getting my business. cn

An assault rifle is technically any firearm that is pointed at another human being with the intent of bodily harm. It only takes 1 bullet to end a life.

They will go after the high capacity weapons/magazines and that will be the end of it. I feel supremely comfortable that my shotguns, rimfires and air rifles will be with me till the end of my days. The government knows it does not have enough dumbass employees to go around and ask for people to give up thier weapons, if they did, the employee turnover rate would be unsurmountable...lol If you are in or have a child in the military, I would encourage them to disobey any order for gun confiscation in America, because if they don't, many will become statistics in a very bloody story in American history. Simple as that.

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

Peace

Asmallvoice

ASMALLVOICE said:

An assault rifle is technically any firearm that is pointed at another human being with the intent of bodily harm. It only takes 1 bullet to end a life.

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That is the most self-serving undefinition I've seen yet. You've shorn it of all meaning.

They will go after the high capacity weapons/magazines and that will be the end of it. I feel supremely comfortable that my shotguns, rimfires and air rifles will be with me till the end of my days. The government knows it does not have enough dumbass employees to go around and ask for people to give up thier weapons, if they did, the employee turnover rate would be unsurmountable...lol If you are in or have a child in the military, I would encourage them to disobey any order for gun confiscation in America, because if they don't, many will become statistics in a very bloody story in American history. Simple as that.

Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

Peace

Asmallvoice

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cannabineer said:

That is the most self-serving undefinition I've seen yet. You've shorn it of all meaning.

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Thank you for pointing that out for everyone, I meant it exactly as it sounded. If you place the term assault on the weapon, does that make the gun anymore deadly than the next. Not one bit.
Lets take it a step further, without bullets, a gun is about as useful as a fence post.
The term assault has nothing to do with the weapon, as they are all capable of the same deeds.( more people have died from handguns than assault rifles) The problem is the people, not the guns, so please save the college definitions for the classroom, cause out here in the real world, that shit don't add up.

Peace

Asmallvoice

The guy who did this killed his mother and sister without a gun? He 's let out. Surprise! But this time it's the bad gun's fault?

BRabiej said:

But I do support the ban of guns like this even if they are "Assault-style" t

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Make all the laws you want, you will never be able to ban the ones that already exist. You can own and use high capacity magazines in California, legally.

I think that you argue about things you haven't got much knowledge about.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9550417/Two-female-police-officers-shot-dead-in-Manchester-as-man-arrested.html

Two people got killed with a gun in england today, they must need stricter gun laws.

deprave said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9550417/Two-female-police-officers-shot-dead-in-Manchester-as-man-arrested.html

Two people got killed with a gun in england today, they must need stricter gun laws.

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Not only that but a grenade was involved too! Britain should have grenade owners secure their weapons properly and shit like this wouldnt happen.

Bet the 2 female cops that showed up didnt even have knives for the gun fight.

NLXSK1 said:

Not only that but a grenade was involved too! Britain should have grenade owners secure their weapons properly and shit like this wouldnt happen.

Bet the 2 female cops that showed up didnt even have knives for the gun fight.

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yea don't they have registrations for grenades I mean wtf? They could solve it just like that, make people fill out the proper documentation for a grenade, problem solved.

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Not only that but a grenade was involved too! Britain should have grenade owners secure their weapons properly and shit like this wouldnt happen.

Bet the 2 female cops that showed up didnt even have knives for the gun fight.

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Guy must not have known guns and grenades were illegal.

From Webster, NY:

"He was equipped to go to war, kill innocent people," the chief said of a felon who wasn't allowed to possess weapons because of his criminal past. It was not clear how he got them.

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I'm confused. There were "laws" in place that did not allow him to own an "assault rifle"? Surely, this cannot be. Everyone knows that making these weapons illegal stops criminals and would be killers from obtaining and using them. The magic TV box people said so, as did many of the SUPER SMART members of RIU.

NoDrama said:

Make all the laws you want, you will never be able to ban the ones that already exist. You can own and use high capacity magazines in California, legally.

I think that you argue about things you haven't got much knowledge about.

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You cant buy these things and that's the point. So when billy wants to go buy some guns and shoot up the play ground this large capacity magazine wont be for sale.. bummer.

But now if Billy raids grandpa's war stash then were just shit out of luck.

You're right to an extent its too late to remove all the Assault weapons etc off the streets and an impossible task at that. But prevention is the key here if there not available for purchase at the store then it makes it that much harder to obtain these items.

I mean we all know you can obtain just about anything these days if you have the right connections and cash flow.

But you have to admit not having these items available for legal purchase at the store is a good thing.

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You cant buy these things and that's the point. So when billy wants to go buy some guns and shoot up the play ground this large capacity magazine wont be for sale.. bummer.

But now if Billy raids grandpa's war stash then were just shit out of luck.

You're right to an extent its too late to remove all the Assault weapons etc off the streets and an impossible task at that. But prevention is the key here if there not available for purchase at the store then it makes it that much harder to obtain these items.

I mean we all know you can obtain just about anything these days if you have the right connections and cash flow.

But you have to admit not having these items available for legal purchase at the store is a good thing.

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I don't think so. If "scary look gun" rifles are banned, he'll just buy the legal "less tactical" looking rifle that has the same calibre and firing rate. If the high capacity mags aren't available, he'll just buy twice as many of the others and tape them end to end. Weight difference is negligible and changing mags won't slow him down a lick.

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Based on that we should outlaw the sale of alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs because if they were not for sale then children could not get them.

MuyLocoNC said:

I don't think so. If "scary look gun" rifles are banned, he'll just buy the legal "less tactical" looking rifle that has the same calibre and firing rate. If the high capacity mags aren't available, he'll just buy twice as many of the others and tape them end to end. Weight difference is negligible and changing mags won't slow him down a lick.

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Wait.. Which legal rifles are sold in stores and have the same caliber and firing rate as a fully automatic AR-15 with a 100 round magazine?

My point is why have these items available for general public? That's like selling grenades in the sporting department at wal-mart and trusting that people will be responsible and do the right thing.

I think that with today and the way there are so many mentally unstable people among us why have these things available at a store? Handguns, sport rifles and shotguns are deadly enough but these Assault style rifles are one kit and a magazine away from being a full on weapon of war.

Why do we need rifle's that are identical to the ones used by the military in the hands of general population? there is no good reason unless your in the boat with the guy saying "when the apocalypse happens I'll be ready" and I mean really if you really are a gun enthusiasts you know you can just trade or buy just about any gun you want through private deals. But at least if these weapons are not available for purchase at the store it lessens the chance of them slipping into the wrong hands. And that sure does not sound like a bad thing imo.

MuyLocoNC said:

I don't think so. If "scary look gun" rifles are banned, he'll just buy the legal "less tactical" looking rifle that has the same calibre and firing rate. If the high capacity mags aren't available, he'll just buy twice as many of the others and tape them end to end. Weight difference is negligible and changing mags won't slow him down a lick.

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Damn you and your common sense!

NLXSK1 said:

Based on that we should outlaw the sale of alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs because if they were not for sale then children could not get them.

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Alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs are not used to commit mass murder so there really don't even belong here.

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You're right to an extent its too late to remove all the Assault weapons etc off the streets and an impossible task at that.

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I didn't mean it was impossible, I mean they cannot legally ban them. The ones that exist now will always be legal to own and use even with a 100% gun ban in place.

NoDrama said:

I didn't mean it was impossible, I mean they cannot legally ban them. The ones that exist now will always be legal to own and use even with a 100% gun ban in place.

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Right, but why continue to sell them? its not helping the issue in any way.