3rd week into flower, bottom leaves spotting, turning yellow and fall off when I barley touch them.

CrazyTernz said:

i have a ph tester and test kits and i test it every time its always between 5-7 and the nutes i use are ph perfect anyway so it always on point. some of the top leaves do have a few tiny spots here and there. like the bottom pic im uploading with this post. but im talking very tiny little dots of yellow and very scarce.View attachment 3703498 View attachment 3703499 the main ones curling up and dying and being brown or yellow are the bottom. i have a whole thread of my own with all of my information in it regarding humidity and temperature. the cal you were talking about seems to be the closest to what it looks like to me. I can upload more photos of the leaves if needed. when i just got home from work and checked the plants they looked a little better. the growth sites weren't as yellow they have a nicer shade of green to them. some of the bottom leaves were dead and i had to pull off but they were to far gone already to come back. so do you think i should just flush it and start over on the nutrients, this time just go with the smaller amount ive been trying to use to correct it?

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Why don't you post them in your own thread? You have 20 full sized pictures of your grow in someone else's thread. It makes it confusing when trying to help someone.

Dr.Pecker said:

It could be a phosphorus problem (deficiency). The jacks classic might have killed off your soil or locked something out. Foxfarm has its own problems on its own without adding other stuff. Sorry your thread got hijacked.

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Thanks for the reply. I switched to Jacks b/c I thought by now my soil would be drained of nutrients cuz I only used Happy frog mixed with Ocean Forest, some EWC and Fruit and flower dry ferts. I thought she'd be able to take the Jacks. I'm getting a PH meter soon. What would you suggest I do in order to bring me all the way to flower? I ordered Jacks Blossom which has more Phosphorus cuz Jacks Citrus is a bit low for my liking during flower although I've heard some really good things from some reliable growers in this forum. Is there a better soil to use with Jacks as well?

CrazyTernz said:

dude i have a whole thread of my own as i stated earlier in this one with all my information in it i was just lazy and wasnt looking to type it again haha. feel free to check it out. thanks for the info as well

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Ok, I just realized Im not even replying the person who started this thread.
Heres a couple pointers since I see your pretty new around here @CrazyTernz

A: if you have issues with your plant -start your own thread. Dont come and hijack someone elses thread. Its frowned on here and pretty much every forum I've ever visited.
B: If you are too lazy to type out your info when looking for help, then I'm too lazy to look all over the internet for your info to help you.
Good luck with your grow.

Woyaboy said:

Thanks for the reply. I switched to Jacks b/c I thought by now my soil would be drained of nutrients cuz I only used Happy frog mixed with Ocean Forest, some EWC and Fruit and flower dry ferts. I thought she'd be able to take the Jacks. I'm getting a PH meter soon. What would you suggest I do in order to bring me all the way to flower? I ordered Jacks Blossom which has more Phosphorus cuz Jacks Citrus is a bit low for my liking during flower although I've heard some really good things from some reliable growers in this forum. Is there a better soil to use with Jacks as well?

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Using fertilizer salts on organic soil will kill it off. Just use what you have for now the damage is done, later on you might want to try some soilless promix with the jacks. You need that bloom nutrient so definitely the jacks blossom. That stuff lacks important micro nutrients. You will probably need calmag plus with iron and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have molybdenum or boron. You must have a ph test kit and ph you nutrient solution. I like the color dropper one because its fool proof and wont fail unlike the ph meters. Your going to want a tds meter also. Because you're using the synthetics so you might want to test the ppms of your runoff. If its really high that might be a reason for nutrient lockout. This is the kind of stuff you really need to look at. Without knowing those details I really can't help you any further.

Dr.Pecker said:

Using fertilizer salts on organic soil will kill it off. Just use what you have for now the damage is done, later on you might want to try some soilless promix with the jacks. You need that bloom nutrient so definitely the jacks blossom. That stuff lacks important micro nutrients. You will probably need calmag plus with iron and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have molybdenum or boron. You must have a ph test kit and ph you nutrient solution. I like the color dropper one because its fool proof and wont fail unlike the ph meters. Your going to want a tds meter also. Because you're using the synthetics so you might want to test the ppms of your runoff. If its really high that might be a reason for nutrient lockout. This is the kind of stuff you really need to look at. Without knowing those details I really can't help you any further.

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Thanks for the help! I have a PH and PPM tester on the way. Instead of using Jacks this round, what should I have done? Would top dressing have brought me all the way to flower? I feel like I just ruined a perfectly good pot of soil then by adding synthetics. I thought the two could work in harmony
Also, I have some super soil I am making and it's about a week away from being ready finally BUT I added the pelleted Dolomite Lime and not the powder. Should I put a little of the powder in there or just go with it as is? I heard it takes months for those pellets to break down.
As for Jacks, I plan on running a plant with Pro-Mix Bx i think it's called, and add a lil vermiculite and a lot of Dolomite and I heard that with jacks should be more than enough to bring me all the way to flower with fantastic results.
Edit: Why is it called soilless? I keep thinking that means a mix with no soil. I am seeing now I am dead wrong. Is there just a soil mix? Or is it all called soiless? I'm just confused, why would Promix have worked well with Jacks but the soil mix I made damaged my plants?

Woyaboy said:

Thanks for the help! I have a PH and PPM tester on the way. I
Also, I have some super soil I am making and it's about a week away from being ready finally BUT I added the pelleted Dolomite Lime and not the powder. Should I put a little of the powder in there or just go with it as is? I heard it takes months for those pellets to break down.
As for Jacks, I plan on running a plant with Pro-Mix Bx i think it's called, and add a lil vermiculite and a lot of Dolomite and I heard that with jacks should be more than enough to bring me all the way to flower with fantastic results.

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Keep using the jacks for this run. Just keep an eye on those runoff ppms, it will give you an idea if you have salt buildup and need to flush. Only flush when you use synthetics do not flush the super soil, all you need to do is ph your water. The pelleted dolomite will be fine, I wouldn't add anymore in the super soil. For the promix run, don't add dolomite lime. Just ph the nutrient solution and use calmag plus. If those ph pens dry out they break. They need to be calibrated so you need the buffer solution. its a pain in the ass tbo. the longest they've lasted for me was six months. This is what I use for ph testing.

Make sure your soil dries a bit before waterings, you want it moist not bone dry. So if you ever need to flush it, you're going to have wet soil for a while. Don't keep feeding it, just the plant soak it up. What I would do is, after the soil is all checked out with the ppm meter, cleaned and flushed, continue adding your jacks calmag plus PHed solution until the runoff ppm is close to what you're putting in. Do you follow?

Dr.Pecker said:

Make sure your soil dries a bit before waterings, you want it moist not bone dry. So if you ever need to flush it, you're going to have wet soil for a while. Don't keep feeding it, just the plant soak it up. What I would do is, after the soil is all checked out with the ppm meter, cleaned and flushed, continue adding your jacks calmag plus PHed solution until the runoff ppm is close to what you're putting in. Do you follow?

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For the most part, yes. I think my only 2 questions are
1. What should I have done to bring me all the way to flower without that jacks? Or what could I have done without using a synthetic? I feel like I was in the right realm of thinking by making compost teas and top dressing with fruit and flower.
2. Lets say the PH is high or low or PPMs. Does the bottle tell me how much to add to the water to PH it out? How many drops do I know to use?

***Kicking myself in the ass buying that 50 dollar PH tester now, but I was told not to use the strips since the color of my synthetic ferts could change the reading.

1 When you mix up your soil you add everything to it at the beginning. They make a lot of dry amendments that you could add and scratch into the soil or top dress. Your super soil will be fine you might not need to ph adjust that at all because the little micro organisms and the dolomite help buffer. 2 The bottle does not tell you how much acid or base to add. it uses a color chart you mix up your solution the jacks, calmag plus you're going to want to get that and water. add something like 5 drops of acid then check it. you keep doing until you get it to 6.3 for the promix. Soils soilless and hydro all require different ph You must have the calibration solution for your ph pen.

They say when theres to much n or salt build up you should flush pots with a 1/4 strength nute 3 times the vol of your pot.looking at your photos a few days dry then flush hudnt harm em