24 hour light vs. 18/6.

Skunk Baxter

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Saying there is no science in art is a fallacious misconception. Science, is art and art is science. Cannot separate the two. It is like saying, trying to separate a woman's beauty and her physical person. The person is beautiful, the beauty is the result of the science (biology).

So from my beauty analogy you see that Bad Art is identical in DNA to Bad Science, (Instead of saying Ugly Woman, you could say ugly Genes).

Lets take the Art of Basketball, or any sport, and Look at the genetics behind every player's particular artistic skill set and you cannot separate the two, the are one and the the same, Science and art.

Take Michael Jackson . . .for example, that birth mark or mold on his penis was meant, oh wait wrong subject..

Now you maybe thinking Art is Dogma, no no, you want Dogma you go to church. The art of growing Satan's Plant (Cannabis) is scientific indeed, no different than Leonardo Davinci's mathematical equations to perfect Mona Lisa or the chapel ceiling, all based on mathematical precision . . . .science.


Now I am going to freak you out if I say Cannabis is what I call Satan's Plant because it has a mathematical precision. And every good gardener will tell you, there is no luck or guessing in a being a green thumb. It is precise. Like every living thing has a golden ratio. Cannabis happens to have a golden ration of 666 using Big Satan's Inches and Feet, and pounds etc, and a golden ratio of 612 using the metric system., The funny thing about that is that 666, and 612 are the Numbers of the Beast, and 666 using the American measuring system the only country that still uses that system is also nick named the Big Satan.

The study of Plant ratios is called Allometry, and if you really want to begin learning about this plant my friends, follow the 666 or to be precise 0.666 if using inches and pounds and 612 if using metric.

What does this mean? This means everything on Cannabis will have a ratio of 0.666, the closer you are to that ration, in everything you do with this plant, the closer you are to perfection and maximized yields.

No seriously, do not take my word for it, go measure your plant, if the ration of branch from node to node is not 0.666 you plant is really sick or something os off. Measure the battom branch and the one right above it, you should see 0.666 2/3 ratio.

HAHA! You gonna thank me for this one HHHHAAAAAA MWAHHHHHHHHAAAAA loughs SATAN!

Now, perfect cure zone is 0.666 humidity left in the plant that means that the
Perfet dry weight is ater you lose 0.666 of 75% of of the wet trimmed weight because plants are 25% pure dry weight if charred, and 75% water, you take out .666% of the 75% water and that is your perfect mummified bud with all the right moisture left in it and all the stuff has broken down to perfection for the perfect hoppy earthy, flavor of good cannabis, for a dank sticky almost discolored bud that makes your mouth water because you can taste it in your mouth from just smelling it, it is so dank!

And the .666 ratio goes on and on and on. When in doubt with this plant, check your ratios.

Now, my friends, when you have built an internal road map of this plant to the point where your brain processes all the science behind in by one glance at your plant, that is when the science becomes an art because you do this unconsciously. I can glance at a cannabis plant and almost tell you with 99% certitude is something is off. One glance over my plants and I wander towards one of them without thinking or knowing what I am doing but I am in auto mat mode because the science is built into my reasoning.

The science behind the midget is that his geometrical measurements are off, GOOD LORD. But, please be advised, just because your allometric measurements are off does not mean your plant is sick, in fact you can use the knowledge to maximize yield, for instance, root zone ratio is 0.6666 and therefore if your root zone ratio is 6, (Above ground length to root lenth) guess what, your plant is not sick but a supperfreak, like Randy Moss and his arm span (and that magic catch)

So by knowing your ratios you can enhance your yield, we like women with big asses and boobs, well Jennifer Lopez has a piss poor Allometric ratio but good Lord, I divorce my wife for 5 minutes inside that rectum, or to see that face looking up at me.

You think I am Kidding? Chop a full grown plant in half and stick int in flower and see what you get for size bud, because you had a kitchen (root zone) of 3 cooks for every 1 Soldier, and by cutting the plant (abopve ground) in half you have now 3 cooks for every 1 soldier. Your soldier gonna be fight juicy and healthier. IN fact drastic cutting like this makes plants that are 6 times more robust and resistant to pests because that root zone ratio boosts everything else as the plant now feeds supper more. Do this in Hydry and Bowaka!

Not knowing the science makes you do and accept dumb stuff like the religious fools accept DOGMA! Like fools around here saying plants need dark and shittty advice like that, or that 18/6 and fast growth or some other Bro Science stpidity.
Holy fuck.

Y'all gotta switch to decaf, bro.
 

Michiganjesse

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Dude.......... What world, or time zone are you living in to get 30 hours in a day? lol ;)
With the right timer it can be done but hope you are home at all strange hours throughout your grow as times of lights on are going to change have read some people do crazy stuff like this
 

since1991

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I played with all kinds of photoperiods over tue years. Ive figured out that 18-6 for veg and 12-12 for flower gets her done....everytime. For blasting a fast veg and roots for important cuts i MIGHT do a 24 or a 20-4....but its been awhile.
 

Nugachino

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As it's my first indoor grow. I did 24/0 on the seedlings. And will be switching to 18/6 when they've got their next set of leaves. If I make it to sexing and find I've got a female. Then it'll be switched to 12/12.

If not. I'm buying some fookin femmed seeds!
 

Bangaman

Active Member
This statement you make, is just as wrong as the myth your trying to dispel...Your being obtuse here.

I don't know what to think of you exactly.

You have a good deal of book learn'in. Yet there are gaps in it that too. Not to mention you misspell "Bonsai" in a post basically meant to impress us somehow.

Your challenged to post pics and all you give are small vegging plants - OUTDOORS and no real bud or harvest shots other then excuse's why you don't "feel" that they say anything about how someone grows....I can understand not wanting to post pics as it took me years on here to be able do it.. No harm-No foul......But I still find the excuse as an "odd" one...

I don't know what to say here or how to say it.....While you have what appears to be good book learn'in. I'm having a hard time seeing the overall actual growing skill and time growing under your belt! The amount of years growing "alluded" to are, well, not exactly impressive. At one point you say you carb load your soil with molasses and other "sugar" source's. Then foliar molasses at the end. Molasses does actually so little for a plant, not to mention MOST carbs do not "feed" the plant they feed the Living Bio's in the soil. Molasses IS "Bro Science" for actual plants Dude! Molasses is for brewing AACT bio Teas. You use it like an Agar in a petri dish to grow bacteria!

Your "too one sided" on the issue here. Not accepting of what others have found in there own experience as being what works better for them.....I agree, science has answers.. And there is a shit ton of "Bro Science" (your term) or hippie Myth as I like to say..We should be simply looking to apply it properly and/or use it as a tool..

On that note. I know a guy on here who has well over 30 years more actual grow experience then you imply. He vegg's for 16/8 and has some fantastic results......I find I have healthier plants with less stress when mine get a lights out.

As I said in a way before. No, Cannabis does not require a lights out time to grow. Yet, I (and MANY others) get better end quality when we do....

I was also hoping you would have commented on my reasoning on my earlier disagreement. I used a "book learn'in" reason to counter your assertation's. You did not.

Now why is that?


I'm still not sure about you....there's just something I can't put my finger on yet..

STILL


Peace on !!
Now why would you say I want to "Impress" you fellas whoever you are, whereever you are? Now is that not an idiosyncrazy to come on a totally anonymous forum and impress people you don't even know if they are real?

Just because you do something the wrong way and nothing bad or good happen because of it does not mean you are doing it right.

On that note, as I have said before, some people simply hate change or an opinion that comes from somewhere other than their own intelectual deductions no matter how limited their intelect.

On those two notes I think I have covered your comment. Oh as for the typos, "mey he who has novere sinned cast the first stone."
 

Odin*

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Just because you do something the wrong way and nothing bad or good happen because of it does not mean you are doing it right.

On that note, as I have said before, some people simply hate change or an opinion that comes from somewhere other than their own intelectual deductions no matter how limited their intelect.
Oh, the irony.

Yes, these plants can SURVIVE in 24 hours of light exposure, but they do not THRIVE. I have already posted the importance of maintaining appropriate light cycles, circadian rhythms, carbon fixation, etc. We are training "Olympic Athletes" (or, at least we all hope to), not trying to get an ill/starving child in a third world country through to the next day.

Yes, the plant can perform SOME of it's light independent processes while still exposed to light, but not all, and not in the same manner that it would in "darkness". The processes performed in the dark are quite different than those in the light. Besides the links provided (in my other posts/threads), we all know this to be true by "experience". If you really want to argue that fact, then please begin by answering this; If the processes performed during the night/darkness can be executed in full during the day, then how do you initiate flowering, as well as maintain it, in a non-auto cannabis plant without night/darkness?

Since you cannot, then you cannot by any means assert that the cannabis plant completes it's natural processes IN FULL without a period of darkness.
 

since1991

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I say why complicate matters. If 24 works for you than why change it up? Iam saying 18-6 works for me..for years. I noticed clomes and seedlings and vegging plants do not show positive photo tropism (plants and leaves praying towards the light) after about 16 to 18 hours or so. My garden anyways. To each his own. I know many a grower that blast 24 hours or 20-4. But myself. ..i stick to what i see and like. 18-6.
 

Nugachino

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My lights go off at 9pm and come back on at 4am. The one in the 90w led cabinet is doing better than the one that's outside getting sunlight. Same soil. Same watering and feeding methods. Just that one is outside getting between 12 and 23°c. The other gets between 17 and 31°c.
 

whitebb2727

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dude really too many pages to read veg 18/6 don't rely on people rely on U I just posted a paper 1 page from a university on why plants sleep .... your welcome
I suspect you don't grow pot. You going around posting these "studies." You then come post them here and give advice.

This is the reason people are giving you a hard time. There is a difference in what's on paper and applying that in the real world. Its the reason I told you to post your own work. People will take you more seriously.

That paper is not entirely correct.

Cannabis does not need a dark period during veg. It is a c3 plant.

It just doesn't need it. Do I run 24/0? No. I don't even run traditional times. I run 18/6 for photos and 19/5 for autos.

I break mine up into blocks. Like 6/2 for photos and 6/1 for autos. I do it because of mid day depression. I have seen faster growth.

I immediately dismiss a paper that compares plants to humans. I prefer a dark period for my plants but is not needed for cannabis during veg. It harms them in no way.

Now quit arguing with "paper" and prove your point with your own work.
 

Odin*

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I played with all kinds of photoperiods over tue years. Ive figured out that 18-6 for veg and 12-12 for flower gets her done....everytime.
No magic or mystery here people. ^This is how it is done (proper). Why is it even in question? (Please do not answer my rhetorical question, your "answer" is incorrect, even before conception).
 

BobCajun

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That post I wrote up there saying 11/1/11/1 actually didn't work that well. I ended up going back to 6/2/6/2/6/2. Normal 18/6 might be better for the plants, idk. BTW, 24 hour light affects different plants differently. Some develop abnormalities or lower growth and others do fine and grow more. Weed seems to do fine with it. Haven't read anything that said otherwise. Might not be worth the extra power though, probably diminishing returns after a certain point.
 

since1991

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would love to see scientific (not pseudo science) proof that 18/6 is better than 17/7 and worse than 19/5 for vegging Cannabis.
I wouldnt. Why try an reinvent the wheel? I get the experimental shit with playing the photoperiod game...but honestly. ..been there done that. Ther are WAY more controllable factors and techniques a grower can employ to get what one wants out of a crop. Like i said..been there. ..done it.
 

BobCajun

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There was a book by Ed Rosenthal a long time ago that have a graph in it showing the growth response to day length. It went up until it got to 18 and then started sloping down. I don't know where he got it from, apparently somewhere.
 

since1991

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Rosenthal and Frank put it down way back in book form. ..and proper as far as iam concerned. Mj is no different than any c3 plant. Basic. Dioecoius annual asside.
 

BobCajun

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All I could find so far was Ed's "Marijuana Grower's Handbook", in a Word document form (link). It says the following;

"Chapter Twenty-One - Early Growth

Once the seeds germinate, the light is kept on for 18-24 hours a day. Some growers think that there is no significant difference in growth rates between plants growing under 24 hours of light a day (continuous lighting) and those growing under an 18 hour light regimen. In controlled experiments there was a significant dif-ference: the plants get off to a faster start given continuous lighting. Some growers cut the light schedule down to conserve electricity. Plants grown under continuous light which are moved outdoors occasionally experience shock. This may be caused by the in- tense light they receive from the sun combined with the shortened day length. Another popular lighting regimen starts with continuous light. A week after germination the light is cut back one hour so that the regimen consists of 23 hours on and one hour off. The following week the lights are cut back again, to 22 hours of light and 2 of darkness. Each week thereafter, the lights are cut back another hour until the light is on only 12 hours a day."
 

rkymtnman

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I wouldnt. Why try an reinvent the wheel? I get the experimental shit with playing the photoperiod game...but honestly. ..been there done that. Ther are WAY more controllable factors and techniques a grower can employ to get what one wants out of a crop. Like i said..been there. ..done it.
i agree which is why i do 24/0 and 11/13. to each his own.

just saying there is no fact based science that says 18/6 and 12/12 is/are the "best"
 
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