20 plants dieing leaves curling down HELP ASAP

Hey ray, Nutes. I would give them all three in equal amounts. I didn't have a meter when I was vegging them and went with what the program had on the expert recirculating program. Things went great during veg, it was when I started flower mix is when I started to have overnute showing. But I have a meter now and would say give the new clones about 300 to start and go up maybe at each res change unless you see problems. This is the most important part of growing anything, to be able to look at the plant and see that something is not right and to be able to know what it is and how to fix it. Take a look at this nute calculator and get an idea of what your nutes should be at different times. But different plants will use different amounts. But not to much different. I have some clones in flower now, 2 oldest are at about 1200 ppm and seem to be doing good. There about 7 weeks in flower. 3 more at about 850 ppm and in flower about 3-4 weeks maybe. They both were higher ppm before but were getting nute burn that is why they are where they are with ppm. You need some "PH up" and "PH down" to adjust your PH you only need very little maybe 1/8 tsp at a time to change it. With the ppm levels if your res is low you add some nutes to it. If it is to high add plain water and always check PH. That PH jump should mean something is wrong. What are you useing for a medium? I will go back and check your pics too. Do you have any nutes in there now? Whats the ppm? As the plant uses up water and some nutes my ppm goes up and PH goes down. And no problem for the questions, Glad I can help.

Never mind the medium question. I see what you have. Did you leave the rockwool on the clones?

hey hash...im little sad right now...maybe dissapointed, this is my update:
the plants you saw in my tub i rooted with RW in heat map, since i didn't have good results (about 30% rooted) i started cloning with my diy clone machine which i posted the pic... now that's why im sad> today i moved the clones to my tub into to the hydroton with out RW...guess what? all little clones died...now im wondering if i have to put the clone into RW before put into hydroton or what? or i put the clones straight into the pot with hydroton ( the clones had good roots system)...anyways i appreciate if you can help me out with this issue...take care bro
PS maybe i can go back to cloning into rw and heat map and get you help to do right inthis time.

my ebb/flow i put tap water today
the tap water was 500ppm...i added nutes and the ppm went to 1100ppm...which means i have 600ppm of nutes, right?
reservoir water ph 5.8
fload 3 times 15 minutes
i just mix Gh micro and bloom which give me the nute balance of 5-5-5
Gh micro 4ml/galon ( 5-0-1)
Gh micro 8ml/galon ( 0-5-4)
let me know what you think....
Important: my system will be SofG style...which i will cut the clones with 9'', after root, not vege time, going straight to the flower room( ebb/flow)

Sorry to here about your babies. Is your tap water from a well or city water? Kinda does not really matter because 500 ppm is WAY TO HIGH!!!! IMO. I would start my new rooted clones at 300-400 ppm and go up from there. How much total water do you use to fill your system?? You need to buy water or get a filter to lower your starting ppm. Mine is about 80 ppm and I still buy distilled or RO because of the clorine and possible clorimine. (don't know if I spelled that right). I want to know what is in my water to start with, If you don't know what is in it you don't know if there is something that is bad for them. I would start by getting distilled or RO from the store for your clones and figure out what you are going to do about your needs. I WOULD NOT USE TAP THAT IS 500 PPM!!!! And with your nute mix using 4 ml of one and 8 ml of the other does not give you the 5-5-5. You get 5-10- 9. Since you are using twice as much of one as you are the other, do you see what I mean? I would use all three in equal amounts of Gro, Micro and bloom. That will give you a 7-6-11 ratio. should be a good start. Try 2.5 ml each and see what the ppm is and don't go over 400 ppm to start. But I think that is part of your problem maybe since your tap is to high to start. What happened to the ones that died?? Yellowing, spots or just drop over all still green. You will cut your clones to 9" after rooting and some vegging and when they are ready to go to flower? I'll be here on and off today, need to go out for a little bit but will be home working on my stuff. Need to setup more buckets today. So I'll be checking back. You don't need to use RW at all really. Mine go into the pellets alone once they have enough roots.

so i think i got some hermies one plant has like 6 or 7 sites were little yellow bannas are coming out heres a pic i should chop it right cause i dont want seeeeeds

and one of the other females has little seeds forming on its buds should i chop it before they fill out and i cant find any pollen sacks on it? pisses me off there were no males in my room ether. so fucking gay this plant is like the biggest one too.

Just pull the yellow flowers off and keep an eye out for more. Might as well leave the forming seeds or you can take them off it really doesn't matter. That shit happens. Mine got some too. But good chance they will be females if you plant them from what I hear. Best to keep an eye out for them all the time. I have seen them on plants that are about to finish.

that hermie most likely got that female pregers ? or there both hermies. Ill keep a close eye on them, i just dont want my awesome buds getting all seedy. and the seeds in the one are smaller then a grain of sand still

Some plants can have just one male flower and seed a small are of the plant. They could both have some hermi to them. Problem is they can be hard to see unless you check the whole plant every day.

hey hash thanks so much for you help...let's go back to the business.
i went to walmart and bought distilled water. i empty my reservoir and fill up again like you told me.
distilled water, 5.8 ph, with 2.5ml/galon of micro,grow,bloom, ppm 340
my reservoir has 6 galons of water which when the pumps is running fill up my tub up to the roots level and still have one galon left inside of my reservoir
my old clones died right after i put yesterday i took out and threw away...now i put 2 new clones in my tub with all you changes you told me ...let's se the results....let me know if you need any more info.
about my clones: i wasn't thinking to take the clones root, take them from the clone machine and put straight to the tub(flowering room)...because i don't know how to put the clone into vege, i mean , what kind of hydro style i should do for vege? i have to put into rw? or get a bucket and do a dwc style?? i think basically my question is ...how did you vege the clone after take the clone from clone machine ? how(style) do you root your clones? and how (style) do you vege them? thanks again

I'll try to post some pics tomorrow night for you ray. I take my clones that have started to root, at least 1/2 in of root started and move them to a very small DWC that I made. But set them up so as to not get the roots into anything, I use small things kinda like RW but not. and they are in very small net pots 2". All the roots comeing out of the stalk are below the bottom of the pot. When ready I take the stonewool plugs out of the pot and take the SW off of the stalk. That way I can take a bare root plant and put it into hydrotron w/6" net pot. Of course yours would go into your containers. Sounds great with the water, Walmart also has RO filtered water in case they don't have distilled on the shelf. It's labeled "sodium free drinking water" and has a green label. Did they just wilt and die? And remember a clone is not the same as a seedling as far as nutes go. Check out this thread I have some pics here:https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/154524-side-side-cloning-gel-vs.html

dood that huge plant the really tall one is dropping fan leaves with the quickness there yellowing out over night and dieing pretty much ima hit it with some fert on the next watering. everyone else is fine.

Try to hit it with a pretty even N-P-K mix. Don't go to heavy on the P.

its pretty much too late lol it hit like all the bottom fan leaves, ima still hit with ferts itll just take longer to bud all the way threw

I've been reading about keeping the nute ratio more even and not killing them with to much P like the nute company's want you to. Check it out, it does make a lot of sense.
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html

Hey guy's, I posted some pics over hear that I took tonight. !982grower say's everyone is welcome. We have some hydro stuff going on over here too ray. When you do please be sure to post to 1982 and say that hash sent you and you want to know where the hookers are? Starting on post #677 https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/162364-lowryder-2-under-540watts-t5-68.html

Hey ray, about the cloning. I got some pics tonight but had problems gettint on tonight. Lost a post that I had done. But will repost it tomorrow. I'll post it here on this one and let you know. I have other stuff posted on cloning and a couple other guy's too. Doing it different way's:https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/154524-side-side-cloning-gel-vs.html

Update: how is it going over there hash? i hope everything is okay...
let's go back to business
first all like i told you i have 3 little clones in my ebb/flow....with destillided water 5.8 ph with 350ppm....look what happened today when i came back from work i checked the reservoir and for my surprise these were the results:
water 7.5ph...740ppm...i have no ideia whats going on> i put the ph down but i could not put the ppm down, because my reservoir does not support more water in it. what should i do to put the ppm down? Now this is my Update: i took some clones tonight put into my dwc machine and some clone into RW and see what's gonna happen
clone w/ rw i use clonex gel
clone in dwc i use liquid clonex...let me know what you think...and if you have can you put the pic of the machine you put the clone to vege room

I'll post the pics tomorrow that I took tonight. As far as lowering the ppm just take some water out and put in some plain water in to replace it. That will lower your ppm. At that amount I would take out half. That should also cut your ppm in half. And of course check ph when done. I don't know what to tell you I'll have to think about it. It's to late now, should have been in bed at least an hour ago.

I really like your cloner, looks good.