2 Plants, 2x Hermie

So, this is my first time growing. I, like many, began smoking years ago and have finally decided to grow my own from home (legally). I literally started with bag seeds and miracle-gro in late July of 2019. As the plants grew, I built the grow closet around them but never adjusting anything too drastically as not to cause undue stress. Running 800w of blurple LED, RH and temps have been appropriate and consistent all the way through. Vegged them for 83 days and noticed a potential hermie in 1 of the 2 plants just before the switch from 18/6 to 12/12. Week 3 of flower confirmed that both plants had, in fact, become hermie. They are not severely hermie as they are now entering week 8 with no visible seeds but definite lack in growth and appearance. Pollen sacs are everywhere on my "white rhino-indica" and almost no where on my "og grape-indica" but some sacs are visible deep inside top kolas. My question is, I am currently on day 57 of flower with still no seeds visible, I began my flush today and I am hoping to harvest in 12 days. My trichomes are 90% clear as of now but I'm hoping they will go 50/50 clear and cloudy by harvest. Should I harvest in 12 days or should I push it longer, newt feed them again after this "flush" and then scope and possibly flush them later, harvesting in 24 days? Thoughts? Thank you all so much!

Pics please.

CanadianJim said:

Pics please.

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Those are the more severe hermie, the white rhino and these are of the less severe hermie og grape:

The white rhino was started from seed in miracle-gro organic and has been in ocean forest since week 5 of it's life. The og grape has been in ocean forest since its' conception.

I've never seen a plant that frosty, with so few calyxes. You definitely need to wait, the pistils are still white, and those buds really need to fatten up. Do you have any clear pics of the pollen sacs?

Dude, all I see are swollen calyxes.

It’s really hard to tell from those pics in the burpee lighting. I’ve dealt with MJ hermie’s before. Both accidentally & intentionally. You may have one hermie with pollen sacs & one pollenated female with swollen calyx & early seed formation. The hermie could also have both male & female branches. It’s either bad genetics or you fucked up some where along the line & stressed them out bad enough to hermie.

I’m currently making feminized seeds with chemically induces hermies, but I also did in the past by accident when I screwed up the timer & the lights were coming on in the middle of night (dark cycle) every night for the 1st 3 weeks of flower before I realized it.

Okay. The 1st pic in your latest post...that looks like a female plant with a pollenated calyx which will become seed-bearing very soon. The other pics are just not clear enough to distinguish any interpretation

CanadianJim said:

Dude, all I see are swollen calyxes.

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Okay, what does that mean exactly, then? Like I said, the calyxes that are swollen everywhere I thought were pollen sacs (almost like bananas forming) and the white rhino both showed early flower signs in the last 2 weeks of veg and she has also not grown much since week 3 of flower. I've given them both liquid newts and pk 13/14 over the past week and a half. As of today they are getting ph distilled water.

Sdh777 said:

Okay. The 1st pic in your latest post...that looks like a female plant with a pollenated calyx which will become seed-bearing very soon. The other pics are just not clear enough to distinguish any interpretation

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Thank you for the info, sorry about the pic clarity, I'll try and post better lighting pics soon. So based off of your interpretation of the one picture what would you recommend I do with it? Continue flushing it and take it next week and let the other one go longer since she is far less severe (but nonetheless pollinated too), take them both in two weeks and keep flushing until then OR let them both go another 4 weeks in flower with another newt cycle and flush?

Hermies won’t make your plants scrawny like that...How many 800 LED lights do you have & how far are they from the plants?

I’m not certain there’s a hermie in the bunch, but you should know soon enough...
There will be multiple pollen sacs together like a bunch of grapes if it’s a male or a hermie.

Sdh777 said:

Hermies won’t make your plants scrawny like that...How many 800 LED lights do you have & how far are they from the plants?

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I have 2 cheaper 600 watt LEDS 14 inches above the canopy. I put 800w due to the fact that they are cheap lights and I would imagine produce closer to 800 watts together instead of the advertised "1200 w" lol.

Well, that’s not too bad & the distance is fine, but you could grow bigger buds with more lighting...
I have 4x 1000 watt cheap burpee LEDs in one of my tents for 4 plants & they rocking.
Shit...gotta go. I’ll be back in 10 minutes with more info

And what nutes are you using? At what kind of schedule?
If the calyxes are swollen because they're pollinated, then you have a hermie, If they're swollen because they are nearing full maturity, then whatever problems you have had so far have taken a massive toll on your yield. If you really want to see if there are seeds in the swollen calyxes, take a pin and try to insert it. If it goes in, there's no seed.
Have you been picking them off?

Looks like a low yielding frost monkey

Sdh777 said:

I’m not certain there’s a hermie in the bunch, but you should know soon enough...
There will be multiple pollen sacs together like a bunch of grapes if it’s a male or a hermie.

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There lack of size could be due to weak genetics? The white rhino was a bag seed from another hermie (due to light stress) and the grape was apparently a seed from a hermie, too but idk because I got it 6 days old from a friend. I've given them liquid newts for the past 5 months and pk 13/14 the past 2 weeks.

CanadianJim said:

And what nutes are you using? At what kind of schedule?
If the calyxes are swollen because they're pollinated, then you have a hermie, If they're swollen because they are nearing full maturity, then whatever problems you have had so far have taken a massive toll on your yield. If you really want to see if there are seeds in the swollen calyxes, take a pin and try to insert it. If it goes in, there's no seed.
Have you been picking them off?

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General hydroponics grow, micro, bloom, calmag, armour si, dyna bloom and pk 13/14. On an every other week schedule with ph distilled water on the off weeks. A light kelp foliar was applied in veg a few times, too.
Never had light stress but in early veg both plants got near fried due to a space heater mishap which could be the cause. That was week 3 of veg. A total of 3 branches broke but one acted as a topping, one fully recovered and the other branch died off. That was all over the last 5 months total.
I picked a few off and inspected them, they appeared to have a small brownish/black speck inside with a very chlorophyll-like smell to them regardless of the stickiness on the outside. They're big pillow pockets, essentially. I'm just worried they are pollen sacs or soon to be seeds.