2 lb per light indoor organics

Muskegman

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Well Rasta I'm glad you got to go to the moon haha. I'll be looking forward for your post . I'm tuning three 600 watts lights and 6 plants. Growing in 7gal black plastic grow bags in subs super soil, with EVERYTHING in it , and cooked for at least 45 days. Base soil is FFOF mixed with lucky dog. Honestly, they grow bad ass in veg, then when flipped, problems ensue. don't know what's going on but I've noticed that as soon as I switch to flower , I start having issues. They look great and then leaves start looking like they are crispy on the edges, to the point that if I touch them they crumble. Then i barely make it to harvest it seems. Getting maybe 2-2.5 ounces , 60 day veg, 60 day flower, and grow if supposedly high yield strains. Blue dream, super skunk, bcbig bud, incredible bulk, etc. Maybe I was over watering , maybe they need cal-mag. I don't know. I'm worried to add anything to this soil cause it supposed to have everything in it. I've never had a nice fade or anything it's supposed to. It's like it starts dying three weeks into flower . My room seems to have the perfect environment as well. Between 70 and 80f, RH at 50. Intake and outtakes, oscillating fans. one grow I didn't have the outtakes so I'm guessing that's the cause on one grow. But it was the same thing that has happened since I've started growing with super soil. My first grow I used FF nutes and this didn't happen. Maybe I was over watering, maybe I'm not watering enough. Again , I am now using 7gal plastic grow bags and watering them now with 3/4 of a gallon of 6.5 ph rainwater this grow . I'm not having any water draining out like I did last time. I thought maybe I was over watering last time and flushing it essentiallywhen that's not what you do with Supersoil I read. Makes
Sense. I'm about to flip some here in the next couple days and document it on here .maybe you all can help. I'll keep
You all posted with pics and hopefully this doesn't happen again, and maybe I can get a higher yeild. I would die if it got 5 zips per plant . That would be close enough to a pond per light for me . I'm growing blue dream again, incredible bulk( supposed to be giant buds) and one called caboose . Thanks everyone for the help. You all rock .
 
Muskegman

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image.jpeg Here's a pic of the leaves and what they look like when they start going down hill. And a pic of what they look like in Veg, full plant picture . image.jpeg
 
Rasta Roy

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purplehays1 said:
With multiple lights in a area it is not very hard to get 2 lbs per light. I nearly did it on my first try with 6 1000's got 11.5 lbs. The trick is very large hoods so that each light is crosslighting the plants under the light beside it. And packing a very dense canopy under that. I used huge plywood beds on casters pushed together with about 15 plants under each 1000. But i should add, i used chemical nutrients, GH 3 part flora. Root mass is a huge factor, open beds allow plants MUCH more root space than small pots.
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Cross lighting is the ticket!! We use this technique in all the big grow rooms
 
Rasta Roy

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Muskegman said:
Well Rasta I'm glad you got to go to the moon haha. I'll be looking forward for your post . I'm tuning three 600 watts lights and 6 plants. Growing in 7gal black plastic grow bags in subs super soil, with EVERYTHING in it , and cooked for at least 45 days. Base soil is FFOF mixed with lucky dog. Honestly, they grow bad ass in veg, then when flipped, problems ensue. don't know what's going on but I've noticed that as soon as I switch to flower , I start having issues. They look great and then leaves start looking like they are crispy on the edges, to the point that if I touch them they crumble. Then i barely make it to harvest it seems. Getting maybe 2-2.5 ounces , 60 day veg, 60 day flower, and grow if supposedly high yield strains. Blue dream, super skunk, bcbig bud, incredible bulk, etc. Maybe I was over watering , maybe they need cal-mag. I don't know. I'm worried to add anything to this soil cause it supposed to have everything in it. I've never had a nice fade or anything it's supposed to. It's like it starts dying three weeks into flower . My room seems to have the perfect environment as well. Between 70 and 80f, RH at 50. Intake and outtakes, oscillating fans. one grow I didn't have the outtakes so I'm guessing that's the cause on one grow. But it was the same thing that has happened since I've started growing with super soil. My first grow I used FF nutes and this didn't happen. Maybe I was over watering, maybe I'm not watering enough. Again , I am now using 7gal plastic grow bags and watering them now with 3/4 of a gallon of 6.5 ph rainwater this grow . I'm not having any water draining out like I did last time. I thought maybe I was over watering last time and flushing it essentiallywhen that's not what you do with Supersoil I read. Makes
Sense. I'm about to flip some here in the next couple days and document it on here .maybe you all can help. I'll keep
You all posted with pics and hopefully this doesn't happen again, and maybe I can get a higher yeild. I would die if it got 5 zips per plant . That would be close enough to a pond per light for me . I'm growing blue dream again, incredible bulk( supposed to be giant buds) and one called caboose . Thanks everyone for the help. You all rock .
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Your problem is his mix has way too many water soluble nutrients, so youre running into all sorts of deficiencies. Calcium, magnesium, and potassium I would wager. His layered soil technique is also a flawed approach, that misunderstands cannabis root growth. And with container gardening nutrients can go pretty quickly. Magnesium is one of the most common. having some epsom salts on hand to mix in when you water is a good idea. however mixed in the soil, it's here today... gone tomorrow. guanos mixed in the soil are the same. Check out my guide and you should have much better luck. Even in the same size pot.
 
Rasta Roy

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greasemonkeymann said:
Fuckin-a right

shit...
where the hell did YOU grow up man?
where I am from we got birthday-spankings...
I like your tradition better.
And happy belated birthday my man
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Haha thanks dude, I grew up in the palm in a little suburb/hick town right under the capital. I moved into a neighborhood in the capital because I couldn't take the nosy neighbors and subtle racism anymore lol. The wife and I are hoping to move up north this spring but we might hold out for a move to Colorado or Ontario, depending on how the laws go here.
 
Sunny Organics

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nothern lights, blue dream, sour d, moby dick, theres a buuuunch. i would go with white widow and blue dream, if you can get your hands on those now a days.
 
MeJuana

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Muskegman are you using a compost that you sourced which was largely based on manure? I was having similar problems everything was lush green in veg, flipped and the edges burned, leaves got crispy. The key was my soil was super acidic making mg unavailable of all things. I could test that theory easily as mg is so mobile I can spray it on the leaves to ward off the effect, then I knew for sure it was acidic soil. Cascading failures can be hard to pinpoint though, this is but one thing to test.

edit: I don't remember if it was acidic or alkaline but I had a pH problem when using manure that made mg unavailable, just woke up so brain is cob webby. I added in Epsom, Oyster Shell Flour and Gypsum and let it cook for 3 weeks now no more problems.
 
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Rasta Roy

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MeJuana said:
Muskegman are you using a compost that you sourced which was largely based on manure? I was having similar problems everything was lush green in veg, flipped and the edges burned, leaves got crispy. The key was my soil was super acidic making mg unavailable of all things. I could test that theory easily as mg is so mobile I can spray it on the leaves to ward off the effect, then I knew for sure it was acidic soil. Cascading failures can be hard to pinpoint though, this is but one thing to test.

edit: I don't remember if it was acidic or alkaline but I had a pH problem when using manure that made mg unavailable, just woke up so brain is cob webby. I added in Epsom, Oyster Shell Flour and Gypsum and let it cook for 3 weeks now no more problems.
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If manure has been properly composted it should have a neutral pH. A cheap three or five dollar soil pH kit from the hardware store would let you know where you soil pH is. Magnesium gets used up pretty quick in container gardening. To add magnesium to your soil mix I would recommend crab or shrimp shell meal. Epsom salts washes away pretty quick in a container mix. It works more efficiently when applied as a root drench when you water. 1-2 tbsp per gallon. Also works great like you said as a foliar spray.
 
Muskegman

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I am using subcools super soil recipe . To the T. I added all that stuff, oyster shell, Alfalfa, everything. I use rain water that is at 6.0 ph. So, that's why I don't know what I'm doing wrong lol. And sub even says that the oh in his soil is high but it doesn't matter. I dont understand that at all. I have tested the ph of the soil and it's like at 7.0 , so PH Could really could be the issue here. I don't know. I'm really trying to follow what he said he does. But since that's not working I'm going to follow the advice of Rasta and make some compost tea and see if that helps. If it doesn't help I will Probably mix the 1-2 tbsp in a gallon of water and let her go and try to lower the PH of the soil somehow if possible.
 
greasemonkeymann

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Muskegman said:
I am using subcools super soil recipe . To the T. I added all that stuff, oyster shell, Alfalfa, everything. I use rain water that is at 6.0 ph. So, that's why I don't know what I'm doing wrong lol. And sub even says that the oh in his soil is high but it doesn't matter. I dont understand that at all. I have tested the ph of the soil and it's like at 7.0 , so PH Could really could be the issue here. I don't know. I'm really trying to follow what he said he does. But since that's not working I'm going to follow the advice of Rasta and make some compost tea and see if that helps. If it doesn't help I will Probably mix the 1-2 tbsp in a gallon of water and let her go and try to lower the PH of the soil somehow if possible.
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the problem is two things, the subcool recipe isn't the greatest for phosphorus, the bags you are using are likely rootbound, the roots MUST be able to grow through soil that has phosphorus in it in order for them to use it.
I am willing to bet that if you put them in a bigger container OR flower when they are younger/smaller.
also I HATE grow bags, they really do suck.
Inside go with plastic square pots, outside go with smartpots
also may want to experiment with a different recipe/t\growing techniques, especially if you are layering the soil with his recommended soluble nutrients
 
greasemonkeymann

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
Also your pots have NO drainage you said above... that is a huge no no imo. Fabric pots are the way to go get those roots that o2
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Yea, plants give ya the finger when that happens...
I missed that part..
you can have the entire world perfect but with no drainage they'll be pissed off or worse
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after re-reading it, I didn't see him mentioning that, I think he has drainage, I doubt his plant would get that big without
either way i'll keep the Chris Farley gif, cuz he was awesome..
 
meangreengrowinmachine

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greasemonkeymann said:
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Yea, plants give ya the finger when that happens...
I missed that part..
you can have the entire world perfect but with no drainage they'll be pissed off or worse
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after re-reading it, I didn't see him mentioning that, I think he has drainage, I doubt his plant would get that big without
either way i'll keep the Chris Farley gif, cuz he was awesome..
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Chris was the shit ... sad he's gone along with so many great comedians :-( ... in post 21 he mentions watering with 3/4 a gallon of rain water and getting no run off... either the plants are getting no drainage from the medium being to tightly packed... the pots have not enough drainage (I have never used plastic grow bags so big idea on that) or he's not giving them enough water often enough . I swear by fabric pots with trays for run off. Its so hard to over water with those..and tons of O2 to the root zone. I have 6 foot mom's in only 3 gallons plants and am currently flowering in 1 gallons.... but sounds like I might make a switch and go few big plants in huge pots as opposed to lots of little ones. Just need to figure out how I can keep that perpetual... need a pure veg room ... dam lol more space to ask the wife for ....
 
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The more I read I think this is UNDER WATERING get 15 dollar soil moisture meter and take out your guess work I think that will help you out a lot.. I know it did me. 3/4 of a gallon in a 7 gallon pot is not going to do much.. you need to keep that soil moist (not soaked) to keep your micro herd eating all those goodies you added! Organics is almost not even about growing the plant as it is about growing your microbes and soil web.
 
Muskegman

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Sorry for the confusion everyone . I have drain holes at the bottoms of the bags LOL! I'm now going by Rastas watering schedule so we will see if that's the deal. I think I may have been under watering them. I try to not give them too much cause I don't want it to drain out the bottom too much and then not have any nutes left to fIrish flowering. Tomorrow i am starting to brew my compost tea, and next watering will be with that . I'm also thinking about top dressing them with the super soil since I am now giving them more water .
 
Rasta Roy

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Muskegman said:
Sorry for the confusion everyone . I have drain holes at the bottoms of the bags LOL! I'm now going by Rastas watering schedule so we will see if that's the deal. I think I may have been under watering them. I try to not give them too much cause I don't want it to drain out the bottom too much and then not have any nutes left to fIrish flowering. Tomorrow i am starting to brew my compost tea, and next watering will be with that . I'm also thinking about top dressing them with the super soil since I am now giving them more water .
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Let that water drain brother! At least the first time...just to make sure the whole medium is soaked. After that as long as your watering frequently (again... frequent but not overdone) you won't have the massive runoffs. But I don't think there's anything wrong with runoff, let's you know you've got good aeration in your soil. I installed a drain but trays work well for the less home construction minded lol. Just make sure you're dumping out the trays.
 
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