12x9 how much lights

Hybrid Theory

Hybrid Theory

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jdmcwestevo said:
what are you talking about?!?!

it is proven that a 600w is the most efficient bulb for lumen efficiency. 1000w lights will always have more penetration than a 400w that is why we use them in commercial growing. do you think its easier to run cooling and ducting for 4 1000w lights or 8 400w lights lol come on now
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were is it proven? only when air cooling and buying expensive hoods and blowers to do so. a 1000 watt light must be almost two feet or more above that canopy..maybe you should read into the inverse sqaure law man..duh..the further you are away, the less lumens you get regardless of what wattage..more wattage = more heat wich = more distance wich in turn = less lumens..
you can get a regular non aircooled 400 watt reflector and get it within a foot of the canopy without burning anything. wich gets about the same pen as a 1000 watter from 2-2.5 feet away..
you may get more surface area/spread off the 1000 watter yeah, but you will pay for that tiny bit extra in your power bill.each month!

and btw..commercial growers are in it for the money and there pot is usually dirt shit..high school kid stuff..all about bulk and no bang..
talk to me about commercial bs. lol
when it comes to power use, cooling, cost of equipment etc etc..400's have been proven to be the most efficient magnetic ballast and bulb combination built. juicing 1000 watters will get no different result from the gardener that grows his same herb under a 400 and knows what the fk hes doing..
and yes if i had the choice i would get 8 400's and rock em ..ive had as much as 6 vs 4 600watters in a grow..there was no difference only in my power bill..ive ran the tests..if your room is only so big..theres no need to waste 1000's of watts of power from the already suffering powergrid. that gets eyes drawn in your direction and not to wise.
besides a strains yield is not determained by the size of the grow bulb..its decided by that strains genetics more than anything..
so in other words...growing SLH under 600's or 1000's would yield barley any difference at all..as long as the veg times were the same for control.

a factor that must of went straight over your head..
talkin"we use them for commercial growing" are "we" everyone? do you yourself speak for every commercial grower or just your click?
ive seen 1000's of grows over 30 years and can tell you..a ton of them were ran off 400's and grow some of the most premium herb around.
 
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jdmcwestevo

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Hybrid Theory said:
were is it proven? only when air cooling and buying expensive hoods and blowers to do so. a 1000 watt light must be almost two feet or more above that canopy..maybe you should read into the inverse sqaure law man..duh..the further you are away, the less lumens you get regardless of what wattage..more wattage = more heat wich = more distance wich in turn = less lumens..
you can get a regular non aircooled 400 watt reflector and get it within a foot of the canopy without burning anything. wich gets about the same pen as a 1000 watter from 2-2.5 feet away..
you may get more surface area/spread off the 1000 watter yeah, but you will pay for that tiny bit extra in your power bill.each month!

and btw..commercial growers are in it for the money and there pot is usually dirt shit..high school kid stuff..all about bulk and no bang..
talk to me about commercial bs. lol
when it comes to power use, cooling, cost of equipment etc etc..400's have been proven to be the most efficient magnetic ballast and bulb combination built. juicing 1000 watters will get no different result from the gardener that grows his same herb under a 400 and knows what the fk hes doing..
and yes if i had the choice i would get 8 400's and rock em ..ive had as much as 6 vs 4 600watters in a grow..there was no difference only in my power bill..ive ran the tests..if your room is only so big..theres no need to waste 1000's of watts of power from the already suffering powergrid.
besides a strains yield is not determained by the size of the grow bulb..its dicided by that strains genetics more than anything..
so in other words...growing SLH under 600's or 1000's would yield barley any difference at all..as long as the veg times were the same for control.

a factor that must of went straight over your head..
talkin"we use them for comercial growing" are "we" everyone? do you yourself speak for every co
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if you have had medical marijuana in california that is ALL commercial grown bud. MY meds have tested at over 24% THC that is not dirt weed by any means. there is no point in an arguement over this you obviously are stuck on your idea of 400s are the best light ever lol and they can out yield 1000's all day long.

If you think that the power of your lights has nothing to do with your yield then im not even gonna waste my time.

i am comparing all my friends including one of them who won the cannabis cup in norcal who is by far the most knowledgeable grower i know. we all use 1000s its a fact they yield better than a 400 there is not even a leg for you to stand on in this debate lol
 
jdmcwestevo

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im sure that if you water cooled one of your 400s and put it right on the plants you can yield more than the sun since it is 1000000000 miles away and your 400 is inches lol
 
Hybrid Theory

Hybrid Theory

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jdmcwestevo said:
if you have had medical marijuana in california that is ALL commercial grown bud. MY meds have tested at over 24% THC that is not dirt weed by any means. there is no point in an arguement over this you obviously are stuck on your idea of 400s are the best light ever lol and they can out yield 1000's all day long.

If you think that the power of your lights has nothing to do with your yield then im not even gonna waste my time.

i am comparing all my friends including one of them who won the cannabis cup in norcal who is by far the most knowledgeable grower i know. we all use 1000s its a fact they yield better than a 400 there is not even a leg for you to stand on in this debate lol
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on "your" debate i agree, when talkin one light vs one light..yes of course a 1000 watt will out due a 400watter..this i agree..but two 400 watters over a canopy, vs 1 1000 watt will give you the same result with the two lightsources vs one lightsource..less heat and less power..more even blanket of light as well..making the 2 x 400's more efficient over a 1000 watt light..get it yet?
thats what i'm saying..
and get off that california shit, shit doods are in alabama, fl and other places doing what california wish they had the balls to do for 50 years now ..hard core undergrounders gave you diesel, og dumb fk...this medical pot movement has made every damn med grower i know in cali think there the shit! but somehow there still asking me for tips..and only a handfull of you commercial growers are growing your own lifes blood born genetics..its easy to talk trash when you can just go to the store and buy your crap right!? lol
and that makes you an expert?
cause your buddy does something you dont? shit ive had regular ol mandala stock laying around that had 26% thc outdoors! lol but no..your from california so that makes you better than everyone else..oppps my bad..
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Hybrid Theory said:
were is it proven? only when air cooling and buying expensive hoods and blowers to do so. a 1000 watt light must be almost two feet or more above that canopy..maybe you should read into the inverse sqaure law man..duh..the further you are away, the less lumens you get regardless of what wattage..more wattage = more heat wich = more distance wich in turn = less lumens..
you can get a regular non aircooled 400 watt reflector and get it within a foot of the canopy without burning anything. wich gets about the same pen as a 1000 watter from 2-2.5 feet away..
you may get more surface area/spread off the 1000 watter yeah, but you will pay for that tiny bit extra in your power bill.each month!

and btw..commercial growers are in it for the money and there pot is usually dirt shit..high school kid stuff..all about bulk and no bang..
talk to me about commercial bs. lol
when it comes to power use, cooling, cost of equipment etc etc..400's have been proven to be the most efficient magnetic ballast and bulb combination built. juicing 1000 watters will get no different result from the gardener that grows his same herb under a 400 and knows what the fk hes doing..
and yes if i had the choice i would get 8 400's and rock em ..ive had as much as 6 vs 4 600watters in a grow..there was no difference only in my power bill..ive ran the tests..if your room is only so big..theres no need to waste 1000's of watts of power from the already suffering powergrid. that gets eyes drawn in your direction and not to wise.
besides a strains yield is not determained by the size of the grow bulb..its decided by that strains genetics more than anything..
so in other words...growing SLH under 600's or 1000's would yield barley any difference at all..as long as the veg times were the same for control.

a factor that must of went straight over your head..
talkin"we use them for commercial growing" are "we" everyone? do you yourself speak for every commercial grower or just your click?
ive seen 1000's of grows over 30 years and can tell you..a ton of them were ran off 400's and grow some of the most premium herb around.
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I keep my 1000w 12-16 inchs from the canopy not 2 feet or more....... Further more 600w is more efficient then a 400w this is old news man .... 600w is most lumens per wat..... My 600w is a little under 5amps and my 400w is a little under 4amps so they are almost same amps but the 600w gets 50,000 more lumens so id rather add an extra amp or two and gain more then double the lumens.... This is common sense here
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Hybrid Theory said:
on "your" debate i agree, when talkin one light vs one light..yes of course a 1000 watt will out due a 400watter..this i agree..but two 400 watters over a canopy, vs 1 1000 watt will give you the same result with the two lightsources vs one lightsource..less heat and less power..more even blanket of light as well..making the 2 x 400's more efficient over a 1000 watt light..get it yet?
thats what i'm saying..
and get off that california shit, shit doods are in alabama, fl and other places doing what california wish they had the balls to do for 50 years now ..hard core undergrounders gave you diesel, og dumb fk...this medical pot movement has made every damn med grower i know in cali think there the shit! but somehow there still asking me for tips..and only a handfull of you commercial growers are growing your own lifes blood born genetics..its easy to talk trash when you can just go to the store and buy your crap right!? lol
and that makes you an expert?
cause your buddy does something you dont? shit ive had regular ol mandala stock laying around that had 26% thc outdoors! lol but no..your from california so that makes you better than everyone else..oppps my bad..
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two 400wats does not equal a 1000w .......... 40,000 lumens + 40,000 lumens = 80,000 lumens and a 1000w is 140,000 lumens so that means that you are wrong and they do not equal the same..... there amps are not he same eather.....
 
jdmcwestevo

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FootClan said:
two 400wats does not equal a 1000w .......... 40,000 lumens + 40,000 lumens = 80,000 lumens and a 1000w is 140,000 lumens so that means that you are wrong and they do not equal the same..... there amps are not he same eather.....
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THANK GOD FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE lol

i do know florida is where OG came from originally i never claimed to be a breeder or anything. i grow very good pot from what i've been told. also from people i know from all those states you mentioned when they see my weed and stuff you find here they say there is NOTHING like that where they come from. im sure there are killer growers everyone and they could no doubt be better than me. but the majority of people i see on here or that i have seen grows are 4x 1000 watts at most when not a single one of my friends here has less than 10k watts going. which makes sense since its legal here. growing on a large scale is very different from doing a small bedroom. have you ever seen what 100 lights looks like or more with 1000s of plants. that is another beast compared to 6 plants in ur closet bro. that is what i deal with here so that is why i take pride in knowing what im talking about.
 
jaydiesle

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i think ima have my uncle just do it for me just talk to him i just gtta buy the equipment how much pots would u guys recommend i put under this setup thanks for the help jdmcwestevo
 
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medz

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jdmcwestevo said:
if you can get an electrician to wire you in some 240v outlets you can run it easy. 4 1k watts will work fine i just like to go big lol. but seriously try to get 240v it will cut your electric bill in half compared to trying to run them on 120v.
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This is False information. 4 1000w light bulbs are going to consume 4 kW per hour no matter if the phase is 120 or 240. Okay?
 
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medz said:
This is False information. 4 1000w light bulbs are going to consume 4 kW per hour no matter if the phase is 120 or 240. Okay?
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that is incorrect. that is not how a power meter works. your power bill is based on how many amps you are using that gets converted into kilowatt hours. using 120v you use 10 amps on mag 1000w ballast and on 240v you use 5 amps.
 
jdmcwestevo

jdmcwestevo

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the ballast is what converts that power 120v or 240v into 1000w of power for the bulb it doesnt draw that. what it does draw is amps which is either 10 or 5 depending on voltage.
 
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medz

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jdmcwestevo said:
that is incorrect. that is not how a power meter works. your power bill is based on how many amps you are using that gets converted into kilowatt hours. using 120v you use 10 amps on mag 1000w ballast and on 240v you use 5 amps.
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You can believe whatever you want if that makes you feel better.

But a 1000w light bulb is going to consume 1kW and that is what you are paying for.

You are correct it will reduce your amps by half. :clap:
your assumption that running 240V will consume half as much electricity is false.
If this were true, your plants would be getting half as much light.

Ohms law: Watts = Volts x Amps

Amps is reduced by half.
Volts is doubled
Watts stays the same.

You pay for Watts not amps or volts.
 
jdmcwestevo

jdmcwestevo

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medz said:
You can believe whatever you want if that makes you feel better.

But a 1000w light bulb is going to consume 1kW and that is what you are paying for.

You are correct it will reduce your amps by half. :clap:
your assumption that running 240V will consume half as much electricity is false.
If this were true, your plants would be getting half as much light.

Ohms law: Watts = Volts x Amps

Amps is reduced by half.
Volts is doubled
Watts stays the same.

You pay for Watts not amps or volts.
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your ballast doesnt pull watts it is a conversion of volts and amps into watts. (i'm almost positive) rusty on my electric theory

im not an electrician i cant explain it but that is a known fact that your bill is less with running ballast on 240v
 
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medz

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Your ballast pulls electrons not watts or amps.

watts amps and voltage is a measuring tool humans invented.


Point of the story is this: You are charged by how many watts you consume. That is a fact.

Running 240v will not reduce your light bill by half.

GOOGLE IT.
 
jdmcwestevo

jdmcwestevo

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ok you are right i just double checked my old books. WOW have i been misinformed for a while haha. anyway you still have an advantage of less amp draw so you can run all your ballast on a single 20amp breaker. well played medz
 
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jdmcwestevo said:
that is incorrect. that is not how a power meter works. your power bill is based on how many amps you are using that gets converted into kilowatt hours. using 120v you use 10 amps on mag 1000w ballast and on 240v you use 5 amps.
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You are incorrect and Medz is correct. 120 or 240 its still pulling 10 amps. On the 120 its 10 amps on one leg. 240 its 5 amps on 2 legs, 2x5=10....
 
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