You can use theses lights a lot closer, As they get no where nears as hot, As hps/ mh, and a lot cheaper to! Ive used these before and littrally had the about the lights about 2" above the plants, Make sure you have a fan. Also stops stretchigh as well. Had some good bud using cfls. When you start to flower, 12on/12off, add a 2700k red spectrum to the mix as well . Goog growing! Hope this helps.