12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Alaric said:

Hey HDS,

Looks good considering loss of light. Are you planning to complete the octagon next run----if not, I believe you'd be better off yield wise with reflectors, light rail mover and a flat canopy----re-configure ( I assume you don't want to hear that).

Little bit of burn on the leaf tips-----which I never minded, just let me know not to go any stronger.

Let's hope for a very surprising strong finish.

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There is certainly a lot of lost light right now. I'm working on a cap/dome at the moment and hung up a sample piece and I think it's going to work pretty well. The new octagon will be 7 sided. Decided I wanted to be able to walk thru. So a lot less light loss with 7 sides vs 5 and then with the domed cap it should be alright I think.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

The new octagon will be 7 sided. Decided I wanted to be able to walk thru.

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^^Wise move.

After this run you'll have a gauge to determine approximately how the 7 sider will produce ( you probably already knew that).

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This is a crude example of what I'll be doing for the cap/dome.


I'll use chain (or something else) to mimic the shape of the octagon only make it much smaller. The new octagon has an outer diameter of roughly 74 inches so perhaps the chain octagon on the ceiling might be 30 inches...just guessing. I'll cut a piece of reflectix equal to the circumference and wrap it around the whole thing. Using light hangers I can then suspend it and will have this nice shape to it.

Here is a shot of what the new octagon rows look like.


I've built 4 rows but not sure yet if I'm going to run 3 or 4 rows. The way the rows will connect is pretty sweet. You'll see soon.

If that reflective material is what I think it is----I love it. Enough rigidity to hold its shape----but easy to work with.

How I used it in my veg room.


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Yup. Looks to be the exact same stuff. The stuff I have is called Reflectix...basically a radiant barrier material. Rigid enough to hold its shape as you said...its nothing like mylar.

Looks like the next iteration of the octagon is gonna be great. I would not assume your yield for this run is going to be terrible. Those buds look like they have a lot of swelling left to do, especially if you stagger the harvest.

hayrolld said:

Looks like the next iteration of the octagon is gonna be great. I would not assume your yield for this run is going to be terrible. Those buds look like they have a lot of swelling left to do, especially if you stagger the harvest.

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Thanks man. Hopefully it will be an alright harvest.

Just a quick update. It's been about a week since switching back to BPN nutes and no ZONE. No real signs of improvement. I've decided I will empty the rez, go back to simple Aqua Flakes A&B with ZONE and simply continue to lower the strength. I'm going to target 550 PPM and it should fluctuate up to the low 600's as water is consumed. See if this makes much difference.

Update: Just some notes.
30 gallons of water. 2 ml per gallon of A&B. 30 ml of ZONE. 23 ml of PH down.
Sitting at 550 PPM or 0.785 EC. PH is 6.7 but will take 24 hours to really kick in and get in range.
Blue Lab says my tap water is 270 PPM so this is only 280 PPM of nutes. Seems insanely low but whatever...I'll keep my usual close eye on them.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Blue Lab says my tap water is 270 PPM so this is only 280 PPM of nutes. Seems insanely low but whatever...

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I ended running roughly 460, tap 180, so 280 PPM of nutes. That wasn't that very low run in which I used 100ppm in total less than that, partly from diluting the tap water with demi water. You just build an efficient system with the available nutes in the solution bumping into roots frequently enough for the plant to do its thing. It becomes normal after a while and then it just seems most others are running insanely high. I'd probably get an RO filter to reduce the ppm if it came out 270 though.

Just a quick update. For the first time this entire grow, some of the curling of the leaves are starting to uncurl. 550 PPM's @ 6.3 currently. Interesting.

Another minor update. Did the 1st top-off this morning with 5 gallons. The PPM's had dropped to 510. 1st time I've ever seen the PPM's drop. I stuck with 2 ml's per gallon of A&B and PPM's are now 570.

Chapter 3 Update
Day 80
Flowering Day 47

Things are going quite well. Starting to have some problems with plants falling/leaning because of the cola weight. I'm tying things up as needed. Nothing has really started to swell that much. The next week should be pretty fun to watch. I've been running the hortilux blue MH on the bottom and the hortilux super hps on top for several days now. The bottom of the canopy is getting 100% MH. The top is getting 100% HPS and the middle is getting a nice mix.

Chapter 3 Update - Continued
Day 80
Flowering Day 47

Chapter 3 Update - Continued
Day 80
Flowering Day 47

Looks great! So many different flower structures.

How does the room smell?

What is the blue thing in the back with the chains?

Sativied said:

I ended running roughly 460, tap 180, so 280 PPM of nutes. That wasn't that very low run in which I used 100ppm in total less than that, partly from diluting the tap water with demi water. You just build an efficient system with the available nutes in the solution bumping into roots frequently enough for the plant to do its thing. It becomes normal after a while and then it just seems most others are running insanely high. I'd probably get an RO filter to reduce the ppm if it came out 270 though.

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this is quality advice for any hydro system .
coupled with this gem :
Will be following this philosophy...
If your PPMs rise and PH rises nutrients are to strong.
If PPMs drop and PH rises, nutrients are to weak.
If your PPM drops and PH are basically stable then you have found the right mix for your plants.
your pretty set IMO

Joedank said:

this is quality advice for any hydro system .
coupled with this gem :
Will be following this philosophy...
If your PPMs rise and PH rises nutrients are to strong.
If PPMs drop and PH rises, nutrients are to weak.
If your PPM drops and PH are basically stable then you have found the right mix for your plants.
your pretty set IMO

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What I was seeing before was my PPM's would rise as water was being consumed but my PH would tend to drop as well.
What I'm seeing now is PPM's dropped but PH remained steady.

When my PPM's were rising and the PH was dropping, that would make a lot of sense to me that the nutes were too strong. Since the nutes drop PH, the higher the concentration the lower the PH would go. Sound reasonable?

Mohican said:

Looks great! So many different flower structures.

How does the room smell?

What is the blue thing in the back with the chains?

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Ya know...the room does not seem to smell nearly as much as in the past. Maybe because they are not in a tent? Maybe because the air is being exchanged pretty aggressively? Don't get me wrong, it smells lovely. The C99's seem to be dominating the overall room smell. They went from having a really sweet smell to a mixture of sweet and musty now.

Mohican said:

Looks great! So many different flower structures.

How does the room smell?

What is the blue thing in the back with the chains?

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Missed your question...sorry. Those are how I hang dry. Got 5 of them hung up waiting to be used
Here is a picture:



They are quite nice and only $7 a piece. I've had no problems with them not being able to hold heavy colas.

Hot Diggity Sog said:

Missed your question...sorry. Those are how I hang dry. Got 5 of them hung up waiting to be used
Here is a picture:

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They are quite nice and only $7 a piece. I've had no problems with them not being able to hold heavy colas.

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damn that's slick. Ordering.