12/12 From Seed Experiment - 21 Strains

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 17, 2015

akhiymjames said:
I think it's just time for food. You gotta think your coco isn't amended with anything so you gonna have to start feeding early and yea I'm sure the cal/mag has something to do with it too as the coco has nothing in it. I know when I start seeds in soiless medium which is always perlite I start 1/4 strength feeding after couple weeks. I'm sure things will pick bag up after the feed and getting the cal/mag. They don't look bad just hungry

Thanks for chiming in man. It's nice to bounce problems like this off of you guys. I'll monitor closely and continue with light feedings then.

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 17, 2015

How quickly do you think I might start noticing some differences now they've had a small bite to eat? In my 1st experiment, I never experienced them being hungry.

akhiymjames · Feb 17, 2015

Hot Diggity Sog said:
How quickly do you think I might start noticing some differences now they've had a small bite to eat? In my 1st experiment, I never experienced them being hungry.

Coco growing is hydro and your doing passive hydro right by hand watering? Well when I grow hydro and feed I usually noticed differences in the same day within hours usually. This would let me know if I fed too much and need to flush or need to add more. I have never grown in coco only perlite with hydro so I don't know how fast the plants respond in it but it shouldn't be long.

When you first started this experiment a while back how did the plants respond after upping feedings or when you had to flush when you added too much nutes? That will give you an idea how long the response time should be

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 17, 2015

akhiymjames said:
Coco growing is hydro and your doing passive hydro right by hand watering? Well when I grow hydro and feed I usually noticed differences in the same day within hours usually. This would let me know if I fed too much and need to flush or need to add more. I have never grown in coco only perlite with hydro so I don't know how fast the plants respond in it but it shouldn't be long.

When you first started this experiment a while back how did the plants respond after upping feedings or when you had to flush when you added too much nutes? That will give you an idea how long the response time should be

I took a nap and when I went down they have already responded big time. I should have waited before asking. They were hungry hungry hippos.

Sativied · Feb 17, 2015

Hot Diggity Sog said:
I took a nap and when I went down they have already responded big time. I should have waited before asking. They were hungry hungry hippos.

I'm glad you asked anyway. They look exactly like seedlings I had about a year ago in small coco pots, including the one with the bad leaf. While it was in my case fairly sure initially due to overwatering - plants that stage don't need nutrients, especially as long as the cotyledons are healthy - that also flushed the buffer out of coco. I'm no coco expert but pretty sure you're supposed to avoid using water only especially not for a longer period as it flushes it out the buffer.

Hot Diggity Sog said:
Is it possible the Hortilux has been on the verge of failing and that the yellowing could be from poor lighting?

No, just saying, so you can exclude that. It has to get extremely poor, dark almost before there's not enough light to produce chlorophyll (which is an Mg atom surrounded with N, hence why they are important for "green") and then they would clearly start out limegreen/yellow in the middle.

Glad to hear they are responding well to the feeding.

One thing though, on the pics the coco looks wet but the rockwool cubes don't. When you use rockwool cubes in soil or coco they tend to dry out faster than the rest of the medium, and watering the medium doesn't always make the cubes moist enough. Till the point the roots became large enough to suck water to it. It seems to be the case with all of them though, while if it would be a watering issue there would probably be more variation.

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 17, 2015

Sativied said:
I'm glad you asked anyway. They look exactly like seedlings I had about a year ago in small coco pots, including the one with the bad leaf. While it was in my case fairly sure initially due to overwatering - plants that stage don't need nutrients, especially as long as the cotyledons are healthy - that also flushed the buffer out of coco. I'm no coco expert but pretty sure you're supposed to avoid using water only especially not for a longer period as it flushes it out the buffer.

No, just saying, so you can exclude that. It has to get extremely poor, dark almost before there's not enough light to produce chlorophyll (which is an Mg atom surrounded with N, hence why they are important for "green") and then they would clearly start out limegreen/yellow in the middle.

Glad to hear they are responding well to the feeding.

One thing though, on the pics the coco looks wet but the rockwool cubes don't. When you use rockwool cubes in soil or coco they tend to dry out faster than the rest of the medium, and watering the medium doesn't always make the cubes moist enough. Till the point the roots became large enough to suck water to it. It seems to be the case with all of them though, while if it would be a watering issue there would probably be more variation.

I won't be able to check on them until morning but I will do a thorough inspection of the cubes. Because they are partly exposed I can see your point about them drying out quickly. Short of digging one up to check root development I can't really tell if they have roots deep enough yet such that it does not matter. Either way, I will make sure to pay closer attention to that.

DirtyNerd · Feb 17, 2015

Looking great Diggity the girls are going to be happy now with some food should notice a good change once them girls kick off its going to be a crowded house

I also find with coco food from the start never hurts i have only grown in coco/perlite mix so can't comment on anything else but i find if you start the girls off with some root boosters and a little a/b they are seem to like it looking forward to the next update

glockdoc · Feb 17, 2015

DirtyNerd said:
Looking great Diggity the girls are going to be happy now with some food should notice a good change once them girls kick off its going to be a crowded house

I also find with coco food from the start never hurts i have only grown in coco/perlite mix so can't comment on anything else but i find if you start the girls off with some root boosters and a little a/b they are seem to like it looking forward to the next update

any other insights when growing with coco?

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 19, 2015

Chapter 2: Day 20 Update
Things are going much better now after 2 mild feedings and a fresh bottle of Cal Mag that arrived today. I'm pretty upset with myself for the stumble. I think I over compensated based on the mistakes I made on the 1st chapter. Hopefully they will kick into high gear now. I'm projecting day 33 as the 1st day of flowering so I sure hope so.

They are starting to regain that nice green color and growth is definitely noticeable. I feel like I'm about 4 or 5 days behind schedule because of this so we'll see.

Thunder Tub: 83 out of 84 alive
Skunk Tub: 84 out of 84 alive (although 1 is definitely not going to make it)

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 19, 2015

sky rocket said:
With your coco brick did you have to charge it with nutes and pH it? Man you spent a lot on seeds. I hope you can get your money back 3x's with this grow. My first time with a coco brick was just plain messy for me. I had to add water to it and I left over coco. That's why I went with canna coco in a bag.

I did not charge it and I screwed up. Won't be making that mistake again. I think what I would have done had I to do it over would be to thoroughly wet the containers with Cal Mag and 1/8 strength of nutes and then just watered with PH'd water for 7 to 10 days.

akhiymjames · Feb 19, 2015

When I usually germ my sees for soiless(perlite) I usually use plain water for first week. After the first week 1/4 strength base nutes for a couple weeks or depends on how the plant is reading. By then the seedling stage should be passed and I'll go 1/2 strength and then 1/4 strength adds. I've never grown coco tho so I don't know it charging it is good or not. Don't feel bad bro it happens just like nerd said giving them a lil when growing in coco won't hurt as there's nothing in it. I know cotyledons will keep them alive if they're healthy but I think like if it was the wild it would be getting some kind of NPK from the earth by now and that would keep them nice and healthy and lush. I just know when I germ my seeds in perlite they won't last with getting some nourishment after a week or so

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 21, 2015

Chapter 2: Day 22 Update
I feel like we're back on track now. Over the last 6 days or so I've done a 25% strength week 1 feed followed by a 2/3rd strength feed followed by a CalMag only watering and then tonight I did a 100% week 1 feed with a 50% CalMag addon. I've also disabled the hempy feature for now and probably won't reinstate it until mid flower (I'm paranoid of fucking up and perhaps root rot).
I have drain plugs on the bottom I can open and close so as of now, I will be watering with drain to waste.

Thunder Tub: 83 out of 84 alive
Skunk Tub: 84 out of 84 alive

Thunders look a little bit more developed but at this stage in the 1st chapter I had a lot of variance so I'm not worried. 11 days until projected 1st pistol so we gotta get going!

Sativied · Feb 21, 2015

Hot Diggity Sog said:
I will be watering with drain to waste.

Wise considering the amount of seeds you popped. At most you waste some water and nutes which in comparison cost very little.

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 21, 2015

Sativied said:
Wise considering the amount of seeds you popped. At most you waste some water and nutes which in comparison cost very little.

For sure...not concerned in the slightest with that

bryleetch · Feb 21, 2015

Something about a sog like this that just brings a smile to my face, I would love to someday have something going like this.. In the meantime I'll be taking notes and learning from the best

Hot Diggity Sog · Feb 21, 2015

bryleetch said:
Something about a sog like this that just brings a smile to my face, I would love to someday have something going like this.. In the meantime I'll be taking notes and learning from the best

Haha...I don't know about the "best" part, but thank you for the kind words

Mohican · Feb 22, 2015

I threw out some trim and placed it in my worm bin and ended up with way too many plants.

I ended up pulling them all and planting an LA Con clone:

Cheers,
Mo

akhiymjames · Feb 22, 2015

Mohican said:
I threw out some trim and placed it in my worm bin and ended up with way too many plants.

I ended up pulling them all and planting an LA Con clone:

Cheers,
Mo

You throughout some trim and it turned into plants Im reading this right? Lol

Tiktok · Feb 22, 2015

akhiymjames said:
You throughout some trim and it turned into plants Im reading this right? Lol

That's what I was wondering also. What do you have in that can to make trim grow like that. I need that recipe Mo!

Mohican · Feb 23, 2015

It was seeded trim. I removed the seeds from the flowers, which had gone too long to be any good. Apparently there were a few viable seeds I missed. The point was that several small plants become several big plants very quickly!

This was the other one:

Cheers,
Mo

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