110v VS 220v

polyarcturus said:

dont worry i caught myself about to post something stupid yesterday about breeding, something i knew, but i thinking on to it too much lol it happens its better when you can admit you wrong. plenty of good examples of my stupidness from way back when.. i remember when i though MH bulbs put off UVB (they dont) and argued with the master over it, til,l of course, i was proved wrong, nowa days im considered one of the goto guys for UVB info.

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What about drilling holes through the outer glass? Just a thought!

UVC just a thought.... lol not good way to go about it. they make some MH for reptiles but the key thing here is the type of glass used some types are better at UV transmission than other without letting UVC transmit but this glass is $$$$$$!

Yeah, it's some kind of quartz glass isn't it?
It's something i keep meaning to ask my local reptile shop about.
One of my hobbies is Pythons (got 2 baby 3 yr olds, a boy and girl and intend to breed them) so I'm in the shop every week for their food as the mrs won't have it in the freezer!
Pythons, however don't need UV so it's something I've never learnt about yet. It's something I've only just started thinking about.
I've seen these blacklight things dirt cheap and was wondering if they would help?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/blacklight-uv-bulb-24245
Also, how does UV help? I know about the theory of the affect of the plant trying to protect itself with thc but does this manifest itself as bigger or more potent yields

black lights are uvA which is not really as useful it can emulate the same effects but not to the same extent.

yep, quartz glass.

how does UV help? well this video should help,
[video=youtube;lfiI78uN3Ks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lfiI78uN3Ks[/video]

what you want is between 275-290nm on the spectrum charts

That is one cool video. Have done a bit of research since and learning but need a lot more!

this is what i use for about a 2x2-2x4 area(3x3 ect) it provide the perfect amt of UVB at a height that is 2x as close as you would put for retiles. the downside is the heat that is why a lot of people use flouro. but on the other hand flouro/CFLs are only good for about 6 months and have to be placed close up (remember there is a burn in time for all lamps when output is higher than normal for the first few weeks)

what is use, mercury vapor bulb(lots of useful red PAR radiation)
http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/solar_glo.php

CFL 10.0% light out put UVB
http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/compact_fluorescent_bulbs.php

My first light (20 years ago) was a 70w mecury vapour! It was a 5 hour drive to one of the first growshops in the UK to get it. It lasted about 6 months, fell apart (the cement joining the glass to the base disintegrated and I got about 7 grams from my first indoor grow!)

ZTELTHY could do with a bit of advice on UVB here
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/573543-ztelthy-co2-t-v-cab.html

I'm interested myself as I'm in a similar situation/space to him.

I found the bulbs but it was the price of the fixtures I didn't like.
Then I found this.
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/383131-cheap-diy-light-buildretrofit/

Daaam Vonkins, I didnt know the amish had an electricians program... Check this, a 300lb dude stands on 2 legs, each leg hold 150lbs right. Now this dude decides to stand on 1 leg, amazingly, dude still weighs 300! But now hes sweating.
The only savings you will get from running 240v is from less ohms of resistance in the line aka line loss. Food for thought, overhead power lines run at 765,000 volts!

Best thread ever.

I'll bet you any amount of money that guy watches fox news. You have to do the math at the appliance AND the meter. LOL. Yeah..cause there is like different power and stuff? LOL Classic just fucking classic.

Originally Posted by hotrodharley
Still says its cheaper. Not any half (I would never fall for 50% off anything that easy). But on welding jobs - my 240 runs way cheaper to fillet weld 1/4" plate than my 115V welder.




Before you read any of this as a flame, or trolling, its not aimed that way, just stating obvious:
The 240 welder runs cheaper as it dont work as hard nor run nearly as long as the 115 to weld 1/4. My miller 120 and 240 are nowhere comparable on welding. Each serve a purpose but I certainly dont run a 120 on 1/4 inch, when 240 sits right there and penetrates deeper causing less run time and a cleaner weld. Matter fact I rarely use my 120, but then again I dont normally weld light items. just my .02

So the difference in trolling and not trolling is shown, this is trolling:
Von, you need a course in basic electronics again. I hope someday I will not able to plug my ballast in your ass and have light. Watts are watts no matter what circuit they run on. I dont care if its battery, powerline or directly off a nuclear reactor. There is a basic math program Ohms wrote called Ohms Law to help keep dumbasses from frying themselves. Von dont take it to heart and try to beat me down with your applied mathematics on electricity, my head hurts from reading your bullshit already.

No matter how you stack it if you were to read an appliance rated at 1k watts and it wasnt drawing the rated watts, you have a device that may need repaired or has a supply problem. Point blank and simple. I will say there is a leinance in said value what that leinance value is I havent a clue without a circuit board diagram, which leads us to appliance repair technicians who will use OHMS LAW for this reason:
Inside electrical devices are resistors, capactitors, and etc. Each drawing electricity amplifying it or choking it depending on needs and loads of a given circuit. These circuits have a set voltage value and amperage rating. Hence terms amps and milli amps, and volts and millivolts, and of course ohm measurement as well, and lets not forget watts which led us to this discussion to begin with. These values are used for testing circuits from printed circuit boards to cords, wires and such. The printed circuit boards will have various capacitors, diodes, shunts, relays what have ya. Testing those said items can reveal if they are good or bad, by using the values of each item measured. As we test each circuit we need to know Ohms Law to keep everything within the manufactures specifications, or if building our own electronic circuit/board. To determine the wattage draw we again use Ohms law to ensure final output is within operating specifications. If we couldnt use the law as written, and followed Vons Bullshit theory..... we would be left with electronic devices blowing fuses or operating like a starter on a car with a dead battery. In other words in a vortex blackhole or power outage state of mind with no way of fixing whats wrong with the device or even a simple light.

So in essence a long way to say this, each device rated at 1k is going to draw at or damn near 1k of juice regardless of 110 or 240 unless its bad or you live in Vons neighborhood.

For the rest of the world 240 is more efficient due to being capable of providing higher voltage/amperage to power hungry appliances/lights/pumps/what have ya with lower resistance.

It will not lower wattages used on any circuit. It will lower amperage, which we dont pay for we pay kw.

FWIW here is a good outside link that isnt cluttered with bullshit on How to properly use ohms law. http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/ohmslaw.asp .

Ignore the 12 volt part, its same law on any given circuit, only time ac and dc makes a difference is when using one for another, and a complete other topic.

Wow now I feel like an ass for not seeing his reprival. In my defense I read the first 3 pages and grew bored during a medicated state of mind. Von accept my apology please.
Either way I gave a brief description of eletricity at work.

I am sure Von does know his shit in indutrial wiring, and wish him no harm.

TwoLegit said:

Daaam Vonkins, I didnt know the amish had an electricians program... Check this, a 300lb dude stands on 2 legs, each leg hold 150lbs right. Now this dude decides to stand on 1 leg, amazingly, dude still weighs 300! But now hes sweating.
The only savings you will get from running 240v is from less ohms of resistance in the line aka line loss. Food for thought, overhead power lines run at 765,000 volts!

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Cant believe this thread is still going. I don't know where u live but there is NOT 765000 volts on the power lines outside my house and no one else's in a residential neighborhood. More like 13/8. 13800. Hell transmission lines are at Max usually 500kv. Where did u get almost 800kv? All I do know is 240 is more efficient than 120 and the definition of efficient is: achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or EXPENSE. For sum reason that last word keeps catching my eye.

Vonkins said:

See that's the only prob I have with a lot of members. They give advice about shit they have no clue about. The bad part is they come off like they really know what their talking about. If u don't know for sure or don't have any experience, please please sit back and shut up. I can't stand someone who gives terrible advice and have no knowledge about it, but yet swears they are right.

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wow your a dumbass if you read everything above you it states that your wrong and ive been an electrical tech for 16 yrs sorry but your the 1 giving false info. I cant wait to see what you have to say when you see this 1. VERY VERY MINIMAL SAVINGS IF ANY, NOT NOTICEABLE ON ANY BILL
this is the best way of putting it into words for an idiot, props to TwoLegit.

• Check this, a 300lb dude stands on 2 legs, each leg hold 150lbs right. Now this dude decides to stand on 1 leg, amazingly, dude still weighs 300! But now hes sweating.
  
  
  
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Tomatoz said:

wow your a dumbass if you read everything above you it states that your wrong and ive been an electrical tech for 16 yrs sorry but your the 1 giving false info. I cant wait to see what you have to say when you see this 1. VERY VERY MINIMAL SAVINGS IF ANY, NOT NOTICEABLE ON ANY BILL
this is the best way of putting it into words for an idiot, props to TwoLegit.

• Check this, a 300lb dude stands on 2 legs, each leg hold 150lbs right. Now this dude decides to stand on 1 leg, amazingly, dude still weighs 300! But now hes sweating.
  
  
  
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Wow u punny little name caller. Efficient is efficient. I will bet my balls u haven't read the entire thread, cause if u had u would see where I explain how 220/240 would be more efficient depending on the setting. Like industrial where multiple motors would be used or a commercial grower using 10 or 20 1k lights. I can promise u their would be a difference. No u would probably see no difference using multiple 600's or a few 1k's. Let talk on a commercial scale. A difference would be seen. When I say commercial I'm talking 100 to 200 plants flowering. Maybe 10 to 30k watts in a commercial grow. Stick and stones tomato head.

Vonkins said:

I was under the assumption if something operated more efficiently it would operate at a cheaper cost. Maybe in an industrial situation where a multitude of motors where to be being used, 240 might save some cost. MIGHT? Sorry for being such a wrong cocky arrogant asshole. I am a journeyman wireman, and a good one, I just keep my head in an industrial setting so maybe that's why I was thinking on a large scale. No excuses what so ever, I was wrong, wrong, wrong, and a major asshole. Sorry RIU members for being cocky and arrogant. And yes, my shit does stink. Very badly!!

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Vonkins said:

Wow u punny little name caller. Efficient is efficient. I will bet my balls u haven't read the entire thread, cause if u had u would see where I explain how 220/240 would be more efficient depending on the setting. Like industrial where multiple motors would be used or a commercial grower using 10 or 20 1k lights. I can promise u their would be a difference. No u would probably see no difference using multiple 600's or a few 1k's. Let talk on a commercial scale. A difference would be seen. When I say commercial I'm talking 100 to 200 plants flowering. Maybe 10 to 30k watts in a commercial grow. Stick and stones tomato head.

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Umm I hate to go back to this, but umm, a commercial grow wont see any difference either.

P.s You can keep your balls, mine are enough for me.

stoking said:

Umm I hate to go back to this, but umm, a commercial grow wont see any difference either.

P.s You can keep your balls, mine are enough for me.

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Why do industrial settings use 277/480. Since there is no difference I'm going to work Monday and telling them to hook up the 400 ton electrical crane up to 120. Since there is no efficiency difference they should have no problem going from 480 to 120. And all the motors hooked up on 240, screw that, gonna tell them u will see no difference in efficiency what's so ever so let go 120 on those. Oh yeah and these miller welders, gotta be hooked up 120, cause they definitely won't run any cooler and more efficient at 240. Mr stoking ur on to something here. Ur going to be a millionaire one u release all these amazing ideas to company like ideal and major industries like CAT. Thanks to you industrial settings will be changed forever. You just started an industrial revolution. Electrical tech my butt. Tech not a wireman. Big difference. So in all ur saying 240/220 is not more efficient no matter what the conditions are. Huh, interesting. For some reason my ballast feels cooler at 240/220 maybe its a figment of my imagination.