11 weeks flowering and no crystals...WTF?!

Under 300w of CFL power (16,4000 total lumens)
I've got 300w (16,400 lumens) over a 2ftx3ft area (2733 lumens/sqft)

Do you really have 6 plants in a 2x3 area? I think something is wrong with this picture.. there is no way that I could have 6 plants growing in a 2x3 area for 11 weeks unless they were bonzied! I am not a good CFL grower, and I think half the reason for that is not because of me. I would not go as far to say that CFL's suck, but for flowering you better have some BIG CFL's not just alot of warm white 26watters. I don't think this is 100% of your problem but your plants would be more mature with HPS.

daddychrisg said:

Do you really have 6 plants in a 2x3 area? I think something is wrong with this picture.. there is no way that I could have 6 plants growing in a 2x3 area for 11 weeks unless they were bonzied! I am not a good CFL grower, and I think half the reason for that is not because of me. I would not go as far to say that CFL's suck, but for flowering you better have some BIG CFL's not just alot of warm white 26watters. I don't think this is 100% of your problem but your plants would be more mature with HPS.

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yes, I have 6 plants flowering under the CFLs, and 11 clones rooting/vegging under a single 26W CFL in a rubbermaid box..I call it the Extreme SoG! (lol..its a working title of course) I believe in pushing these babies like never before..(hence the semi-stealth CFL SoG). they deserver more credit than ppl give em, these plants can survive under the strangest circumstances.

keep in mind Im running a SoG, so when I say "I have 6 plants flowering" that doesnt mean that all 6 of them have been flowering for 11 weeks, one has been in there 5 weeks, others 2 or 3 weeks and another I just put in there last wed.

Personally, I prefer the CFL's over the HID's in a SoG. If anything, one day I'd probably get a 250w HPS and still keep the CFL's. But for a SoG I'm not going for large buds or large yeilds from a single plant so I dont feel the need for a HID right now. I agree 100% that more light = more buds that are more dense and all, but CFL's is definitely the way to go for a personal grower doing a SoG, anything else and Ur being greedy..and we all know what happens to greedy growers, they turn foolish and get caught...plus its a waste of electricity.... but I am going to HD to get a couple more 42w CFL's, I dont think that will solve the problem, but it'll help the solution.

I was trying to keep the rotation moving by putting two clones into flower every 2 weeks, by the 8th week I would have two fully mature plants to harvest, and I was trying to keep this rotation going so I'd harvest every 2 weeks (takes me a little over 2 weeks to smoke an oz, so by the end of the month I'd have a nice sized stash ) this strain was just kinda thrown into my SoG, I have WW and PP which finished A LOT sooner, Im just upset that the clones I threw in there with this one finished and have been curing for about a week, and I left this one in there to let it finish.

But this damn F1 is "gumming up the works" I cant put anymore plants in there till this one is done. I would move her outside but I already have too many sites outside with plants growing on them, I wouldnt be able to handle even a single more.



Im thinking that AMNP may be right, this plant was indeed a F1 "breeding accident" so that may be part of the reason for the delayed crystals...has anyone else came across this? What was the solution?

Bad Genetics it is I grew some seeds i got with this white rhino my m8 was getting back from the Dam a while back,
It ended up a male and i dident want to waist this after my hard work so i crossed it with a white widow i had growing already the seeds from this white widow/rhino cross i had the same problems with no crystals big massive buds came out but very little if any crystals they were under 400hps

how'd it smoke?

yes buddy you can grow 6 max if you have an hps 400w no way those cfls are gonna support all those plants specially if they are not only like 1" away from the plants. go on ebay and buy you a 400HPS, your just wasting electricity like this

good luck man

Lotta issues here is why. You say 300 watts of cfls is that actual 300 watt cfls as in the 18 inch bulbs or are you saying 300 watts equvilent like some of the smaller 46 watt bulbs as thats a big issue those arent strong enough to really grow as you are seeing which proves a point I have made over and over again. If you use Miracle grow only use Miracle grow mosture control. Any peat or moss is bad stuff to start out with. You are using poor nutes also.You have to have high phosphorous when flowering and little to no nitrogen and real high nitrogen when vegging.At 11 weeks flower those look like week 2 at best so your gonna find that the light situation has cost you a grow and lots of time and you wont really get much at the end of this maybe a 1/4 of dry middies.Good luck next round.Improve the lights, soil, and nutes and you ll do better..

Spittn4cash said:

how'd it smoke?

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The smoke wasent to good it had a weed taste but not a potent taste and it only really gave out a smell when the buds were squeezed or bent ,
I thought using a white widow and a rhino the plants would of been coverd in crystals but it was only the tric,s that were there glittering the glass jar cure helped a bit but it still wasent to good

is your plant giving out much smell at the min . ?

They're lookin' really nice, but I'd def. agree with more light!

i think the reason that your plants don't look like wrldwideradio's is because of your cfl lighting. Looks more like a genetics problem IMO. Where did you get the seeds?

there are a few things you can't skimp on if you want nice health high yielding plants,
1..Lighting..If you are not a CFL master, go with big watts
2...Genetics, if you don't start with good seed, you get weak weed

Looks like a combination of both..
Sorry to bash on your grow S4, you obviously have done this for awhile to have such opinions, but I can't grow as well with cfl's as I can with HID...Good luck and keep us posted on what happens...

daddychrisg said:

there are a few things you can't skimp on if you want nice health high yielding plants,
1..Lighting..If you are not a CFL master, go with big watts
2...Genetics, if you don't start with good seed, you get weak weed

Looks like a combination of both..
Sorry to bash on your grow S4, you obviously have done this for awhile to have such opinions, but I can't grow as well with cfl's as I can with HID...Good luck and keep us posted on what happens...

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very well put.

I still cant find anywhere on the net where it associates lighting with trichomes, but it must be true if so many people thinks that, unless everyone is on some kinda bandwagon..just bcuz one person said it they just ride with it and it must be so.. I dunno

thanks for the help guys


does anyone have any actual info about trichs being linked to the amount of light during flowering?

I know for a fact that genetics will do this, but Im still not convinced its the lighting. any mods have anything to say?

you can also try putting the plant in direct sunlight for an hour or 2 a light cycle if it is an option, triqs are a plants natural sunscreen and if you expose it to natural UVB rays it just may develop more triq's.

Might be worth a shot

I have the same problem with 2 BCIM females. Had to chop one looked like it was starting to show balls, but there was no trichs. at all 7wks. into flowering. The same goes for the 2nd female will be keeping a close eye on her as well to see if she hermi. Growing under a 400w hps. Never had this problem, but i never grew a mostly sativa plant either. I will let her go as long as I can. From the looks of its just bad genetics, low grade smoke. What the hell they were free. Oleschool

Have Faith guys!

hi there,
how much space and how much light you have,
i had a thai strain that took 16 + weeks and most crystals finally arrived in the last 3 weeks .
what strain are they?
let me klnow
peace be with you
B

Spittn4cash said:

very well put.

I still cant find anywhere on the net where it associates lighting with trichomes, but it must be true if so many people thinks that, unless everyone is on some kinda bandwagon..just bcuz one person said it they just ride with it and it must be so.. I dunno

thanks for the help guys


does anyone have any actual info about trichs being linked to the amount of light during flowering?

I know for a fact that genetics will do this, but Im still not convinced its the lighting. any mods have anything to say?

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hi there,
trich are defo linked to light , infact the whole cycle of the plant will only be inhanced by the more light received , the more light the bigger the tighter buds and quicker they mature ,the quicker they mature the sooner the crystals come.
i have thought other wise before now but after messing about a bit with different lights with the same plants (different crops) i came to the conclusion that the more light thethe better the plant!!
peace be with you
B

to hurry up and get that crappy plant out your way just give it a longer dark period, 14/10. it will finish faster.

Veg for 30 days (18/6), now been Flowering for 11 weeks (12/12)

well, you don't go from veg to flower just because you changed the light cycle. most sativas spend 2-4 weeks making the transition. i'd guess your OP has been in flower for 7 weeks tops...

maybe just my opinion but putting a sativa strain into flower after 30 days of veg seems a bit...off. if you can give sativas about 60 days to actually mature (ie., let it show sex) before going to flower you'll harvest a much better product.

gl, those others look nice!




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the trichomes are there to protect the seed,since they are grown indoors they are not pollinated,the trichomes still grow in the last few weeks acting as if it is,but this only happens after the ovalry is swollen,which helps decide the amount of trichomes,so more light the bigger the ovalries(bud) grow,thus needing more and bigger trichomes to protect it,but these are in trappers terms,meaning i got my grade 12 by doing grade 6 twice.