Well all the seeds are in rockwool now, my guts say no photos so i will go with that for now, i am gettng rid of this pc soon. I planted after 2 1/2 days soaking. Half the seeds had 2-3mm roots the other half had cracked at least. Funniest thing I ever saw, that puts paid to the myth it doesnt matter which way you plant them. One of my seeds broke through today and i just checked it to find the root tip was face the lights with the leaves buried down, I quickly turned it upside down and replanted it, it seemed quite vigorous despite the fact its root tip had 5-6 hrs light.