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I apologize for reposting then. If I understand your post correctly, it sounds like we agree. What I meant by transcending determinism, for lack of a better term, was breaking free of the cycle of cause and effect or to truly establish your will as free though the rest of the universe remained...

But wouldn't the recognition of the impending cause be a cause in itself?

Sure, you can look at it that way. Deists sometimes use the image of a wind up toy that is wound up, set into place and not interfered with. The big bang must be the effect of something though; I'd think. Every effect is also a cause though. I think if we are going to transcend this chain of...

In some ways of thinking it is. I interpret things as being so chaotic, that it is impossible to determine is something was predestined or not, but merely that we are slaves to cause and effect, biological determinism, and other influences; since every choice we make in life is determined or at...

Surely there is someone on here that is mutually interested in this question and would like to help find a possible answer or at least give some opinions. (BUMP)

You can't be Jesus unless you look the part and act like he is portrayed in the movies; Everyone knows that. Even if the appearance is historically inaccurate or it can be explained as a medical deformity (modern day incarnations of Hanuman and Siva). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk

I never knew that. I thought you'd just grill or fry them like oysters. Hey everyone, let's talk about clams and sitch. I'm learning a lot more from talk about clams than I am from talk about God.

Thanks, but it's not that deep really. I should mention, I'd like to leave religion and gods out of this as much as possible. Feel free to make references to non-dogmatic verses and scripture though.

Good thread Abandon.

This is a question for my fellow determinists on RIU. Do you believe it is possible to transcend determinism and establish yourself in another "reality" where you had true free will while still existing in the here and now? I'm not talking about compatibilism but a true escape from biological...

And the last one for today, I promise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXKEQB5Fzao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ6SIUBebgY

I'm not going to listen to Teenage Dirtbag, because I had it stuck in my head for a year once. This was one of my fave songs about ten years ago, lol. I think that is when all the good music stopped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxfpbyV-uc

Oh shit... "Too much heat in here for me" he thought to himself as he backed away slowly.

Maybe we should have an ear worm theme for today? lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIMNr47ZHE I WAS going to post Raspberry Beret but Prince is a cock smooch.

You can't get it out of your head, can you?! lol It's evil like that. I may have posted this one before, but it also has a bad ear worm factor; at least for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKiXYveusc0 A sexier song about polyamory has never been written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESOHsglJs8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xCtNZMAnU

I hate it when you're trying to do your job and some homeless person comes up and dances at you.

That quote reminds me of John Zerzan (who is another big influence on me) and Jaron Lanier's book You Are Not a Gadget.