Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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snowboarder396 said:
I'll agree that factory farmed and caged animals are not good to eat. I know protein can be found high in beans and legumes, however I buy all ny chicken at the farmers market where the vendor I buy from has free range chickens, no antibiotics or any other injections of any kind. I also hunt and fish, grow what I can of my own food. However I will never ever give up meat! Not because I possibly couldn't but because I won't... I love meat to much and it is tasty. Doesn't mean I'm out shape either I stay away from fast food as much possible and as I said I choose my sources of all things ingested and when I do buy I tend by from farmers and ranchers of what I don't grow myself.
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I said the exact same thing at one point in my life. Your views may still evolve from where you're at ... or not.

Having kids changed my perspective a bit. I worry about the world we're leaving for them. Eating meat, no matter it's source, is supporting an unsustainable industry imo. The worlds population is exploding, and meat is going to become a VERY expensive delicacy in our lifetime. The oceans are being over-fished, and livestock consume too much grain for their return of meat.

Health and ethical reasons aside, I don't feel that meat consumption is a good thing for our planet.
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I suspect it's the most profitable. So we're marketed to and told to eat big steak. Same thing DeBeers did with diamonds. As a species, we are very easily led. Sad to say.

But I would like to dry age a bone-in prime rib for 30 days and cook only to rare over a charcoal fire at 600F before I die.
 
snowboarder396

snowboarder396

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I don't over eat meat and I certainly wouldn't take more then NEC. That's why I hunt/ fish my own or get it from a good source. The big fish industry and cattle ranchers of course are bad.. then again look at big ag. Or big pharma.

Imagine if people raised there own chicjens, rabbits, hell even small tilapia pond for fish.. how much more sustainable life would be and cutting back and the big industries that are depleting everything.. the food source isn't the problem.... It's people, and people that live in cities expecting everything to be handed to them. Including cheap supermarkets that are selling them meat or fish from these big companies... Asian countries like chins and Japan are illegally fishing and over fishing... Killing whales and sharks by the thousands on purpose or in their 30-60 mile drag nets that make it to late. And everything's pulled up via conveyor belt..

It's all about sustainability and lifestyle. I just don't live outside my means while most others these days especially in the cities big cities just don't care and live a more robotic lifestyle so to speak, don't care where there stuff comes from or how as long as they get it they don't wanna know, and that is the problem..
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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st0wandgrow said:
As with most things moderation is key. I take the same approach to soy-based products. It's one of the worst GMO offenders, so I really try to limit it in my diet. There is a ton of protein in nuts, beans, legumes, eggs, yogurt, etc so I have peace of mind in not eating meat, and really not eating much soy either.
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Just don't buy the GMO soy products...to be honest, I haven't seen any of them where I shop - they are all organic (and that is just the normal supermarkets). From what I understand, the GMO soy is animal fodder...and they need a lot of it which is why the Amazon is being cut down - for soy bean farms...

One thing that hits a nerve with me is gym junkies that tell me that I need meat if I want to be big. Oh really? Stop drinking your high protein shakes and see how much meat helps you.

As a rule, I try and trace back whatever I am eating to the soil. I recommend that everyone does this as well. It is easier for vegetables and fruit than for meat. Try and stay away from the carbon-less fertilizer filled farms producing mono-cultures of grain to be fed to animals in captivity that require antibiotics to live in such toxic conditions. If you eat wild animals or animals that have eaten well, that is by far a healthier option than eating the 'grain fed beef' that is basically everywhere.

Then limit it to what is within 100 kilometres of your city.

Then only consume what you would happily harvest (i.e. picking fruit, digging up potatoes and slaughtering pigs etc).

IMO one must know the whole process (starting from the soil - as everything we eat relies on it) of where our food is coming from and made.
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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snowboarder396 said:
However I will never ever give up meat! Not because I possibly couldn't but because I won't... I love meat to much and it is tasty.
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Sounds just like me when I was younger. I thought I would never give up meat, it just tasted so good. Why would I want to deprive myself of something that brought me so much joy (even though I knew that other beings had to suffer). Other animals get to kill and eat, why can't I. Isn't it a bit like a priest swearing to never have sex? Why would one do that, deprive themselves of something on this earth that is just so damn good.

[video=youtube;jX2btaDOBK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8[/video]

Please have a watch of that vid.
 
st0wandgrow

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'ome Grown said:
Sounds just like me when I was younger. I thought I would never give up meat, it just tasted so good. Why would I want to deprive myself of something that brought me so much joy (even though I knew that other beings had to suffer). Other animals get to kill and eat, why can't I. Isn't it a bit like a priest swearing to never have sex? Why would one do that, deprive themselves of something on this earth that is just so damn good.

[video=youtube;jX2btaDOBK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8[/video]

Please have a watch of that vid.
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Interesting video. I really related to what he was saying about training yourself to enjoy healthy food. Years ago I would have never considered kale, or broccoli delicious. Now I find myself craving, and really enjoying those foods. It's amazing how our brains work.
 
Rrog

Rrog

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You're exactly right Stowe. Further, I think you lose the Twinkie craving once your brain has shifted gears.
 
snowboarder396

snowboarder396

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'ome Grown said:
Sounds just like me when I was younger. I thought I would never give up meat, it just tasted so good. Why would I want to deprive myself of something that brought me so much joy (even though I knew that other beings had to suffer). Other animals get to kill and eat, why can't I. Isn't it a bit like a priest swearing to never have sex? Why would one do that, deprive themselves of something on this earth that is just so damn good.

[video=youtube;jX2btaDOBK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8[/video]

Please have a watch of that vid.
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It's not that I couldn't go without meat.. it's I choose not to.. as I said before I eat all organic grass fed, no antibiotics.. as well as wild game such as deer and elk. I'd like to also point out meat is not bad what do ever! As long you eat a good source of it such as I've stated it's not bad. I grow my own veggies and buy from farmers market where I know the vendors I use don't use chemicals, pesticides, gmos etc. And just to point out gmo doesn't have to do with the soil it's genetically engineered and lab created seeds/plants that are spliced with other plant DNA or even animal DNA. I would never eat anything that contains gmos or associated with the Monsanto corporation.. I think meat gets a bad rep. Most vegetarians or vegans don't even know how to eat properly not saying that's any of you here but that's the facts. Yes certain veggies have more protein then meat. But I like chicken and fish and even red meat. I eventtually will raise my own chickens , rabbits, and hunt for the rest I also plan start bee keeping more of having a little homestead only buying in town what I can't do myself being more self sufficient .
 
Rrog

Rrog

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Meat from an animal that had a natural and/or wild diet, living without stress, able to run around is not the same as what I buy in the store.

My primary protein is egg white, and I'll have my own chickens soon to gather eggs.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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snowboarder: I think you're doing it the right way. I've never taken issue with someone that hunts or supports local farms for their meat .... where you can actually see with your own eyeballs how the animals are kept. As far as meat being good for you, that remains to be proven. We know it's not a *necessary* part of our diet, but there are many that feel that meat (of any quality) is actually detrimental to your health. I'm not an expert on the topic, so I'll keep my 2 cents in my pocket.

But what you have to realize is that the VAST majority of meat eaters aren't doing things like you are. They're either ignorant, apathetic, or it just isn't practical for them to drive down the road to the local farm. People in cities rely on restaurants and grocery stores to provide their meat. Most of that is factory farm stuff.
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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snowboarder396 said:
And just to point out gmo doesn't have to do with the soil it's genetically engineered and lab created seeds/plants that are spliced with other plant DNA or even animal DNA.
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It most certainly does have repercussions on the soil. There are no GMO seeds used in organic farming or polycultures. They are there to battle against nature, allow farmers to use pesticides and herbicides that do not effect those GMO seeds. GMO seeds are grown in monocultures using fertilizers that are inorganic, that do not allow the soil to thrive but rather just feed that specific plant.

So yes, GMO is mucking around with the DNA of the plants, not the soil. But if one is growing GMO seeds, then they are not looking after the soil and making it fertile rather caught up in the business of agriculture and trying to balance their inputs and outputs to make that small profit (and farmers really do get peanuts).
 
'ome Grown

'ome Grown

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Agreed. Snowboarder, if I were to eat meat again, then I would be following your route. Eating grass fed, organic meat from farmers markets, hunting for your own or raising your own.

Personally I can't do it on a spiritual level. But I respect the right for someone to make an educated decision on what is going into their body. I think we can agree that the far majority of omnivores are just following the dopamine high illustrated in that video.
 
Got4m2e0

Got4m2e0

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R3DROCk9 said:
aye any of yaw kno wut dis might be?? i get it every once in a while....i have a few ideas as to wut it may be, bu at this point i dont want to influence any new opinions that yaw may have....thanx


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looks ok so like light bleaching. If under HID you may want to raise the light a little. Remember that every inch makes a big difference with HID
 
DEM 840

DEM 840

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Hi y'all. I have been running veganics since we moved to a far from anything Homestead (1995), and nothing else compares! Our strains are rejuvenated every time they are cloned. I do think it is necessary to include raw material (examples: Sun leaves, Nettles, Comfrey, grass clippings, alfalfa, etc...) in your tea blend. This is to cut down costs, gives your plants living chlorophyll filled nutrients and add living beneficial bacterias into your tea blends that you might not find in dried and mass produced facilities.AND, important to be careful not to be swayed by the word veganics and just think that the company is conscious and concerned about residues. Plant based materials,( not rock phosphates) are what the microbes need in order to thrive. Look for amendments that are herb based. It is a paradigm shift...Feed your microbes and let your microbes feed your plants. ANYTHING that directly "feeds" your plants is bypassing the organic process of living teas and soils. Bypassing the natural process of the plant's uptake will result in strain die off and decreased health of the plant and your soils.We get all of our N-P-K from herb roots, leaves and seeds. Plants do feed plants, that is the natural process. Rock phosphates are a dangerous industry and do contain many residues. If you are looking for pure medicine, might want to cut any phosphates. Your potassium and phosphorus can be supplemented generously with herbs. We use herbology for healing our bodies and the same can be said for plants. They react almost identically to herb medicines as we do, they just need it to be broken down by microbes first (which is what our digestive tract does for us). I am not into Veganics because I am a Vegan, I am into Veganics because plants are programmed to eat the waste from the bacterias which are feeding off of plant matter. The whole "grow" scene is just that, a scene without proper education. What did old world Farmer's use? They had no access to packaged amendments. They used compost piles of raw plant material and manure (which is also plant based). We need to learn from the past and not try to reinvent organics from getting our smarts from grow stores which get their smarts from distributors (bad idea!).
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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DEM 840 said:
Hi y'all. I have been running veganics since we moved to a far from anything Homestead (1995), and nothing else compares! Our strains are rejuvenated every time they are cloned. I do think it is necessary to include raw material (examples: Sun leaves, Nettles, Comfrey, grass clippings, alfalfa, etc...) in your tea blend. This is to cut down costs, gives your plants living chlorophyll filled nutrients and add living beneficial bacterias into your tea blends that you might not find in dried and mass produced facilities.AND, important to be careful not to be swayed by the word veganics and just think that the company is conscious and concerned about residues. Plant based materials,( not rock phosphates) are what the microbes need in order to thrive. Look for amendments that are herb based. It is a paradigm shift...Feed your microbes and let your microbes feed your plants. ANYTHING that directly "feeds" your plants is bypassing the organic process of living teas and soils. Bypassing the natural process of the plant's uptake will result in strain die off and decreased health of the plant and your soils.We get all of our N-P-K from herb roots, leaves and seeds. Plants do feed plants, that is the natural process. Rock phosphates are a dangerous industry and do contain many residues. If you are looking for pure medicine, might want to cut any phosphates. Your potassium and phosphorus can be supplemented generously with herbs. We use herbology for healing our bodies and the same can be said for plants. They react almost identically to herb medicines as we do, they just need it to be broken down by microbes first (which is what our digestive tract does for us). I am not into Veganics because I am a Vegan, I am into Veganics because plants are programmed to eat the waste from the bacterias which are feeding off of plant matter. The whole "grow" scene is just that, a scene without proper education. What did old world Farmer's use? They had no access to packaged amendments. They used compost piles of raw plant material and manure (which is also plant based). We need to learn from the past and not try to reinvent organics from getting our smarts from grow stores which get their smarts from distributors (bad idea!).
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Great post!
 
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