Nirvana's Ice, and DNA's Rocklock, soil grow, from seed.

jawbrodt

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Okay, I just started something totally new to me, one week into bloom, just starting the 'bloom stretch'. These two plants have been left untrained, are quite branchy, but the main cola was getting too tall for my liking. So, I decided to use 'bending' to get it under control. I'm hoping that this'll take advantage of the stretching period, and send all ther side branches shooting skyward, even faster then they do, if you use this method in veg. Then, I'll release the tops, and still have my main colas. :weed:

Heigth is currently 18-20". Temp is 73*, and humidity is 35%.

The first couple pics are the 'befores' and the rest are the 'afters'.....
 

jawbrodt

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Sweet, got roots in 6 days,(minus 2 hours) matching my old record. :grin: I had a suspicion that Ice was going to be an easy-cloner. Crystal is a real bitch.lol

I used rooting gel and water, that's it. Temps in the upper 70's, with my heating pad kicking on and off, every 15 minutes. Running it constant, made them droop badly.(too hot) They look a little droopy right now, but that's because I just soaked 'em.lol
 

jondamon

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Hey Jawbrodt

Everything is looking real sweet bro!

Congrats on the rooting in 6days. Are they the root riot cubes you are using to root into?

J
 

jawbrodt

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^Thanks bro. :grin: Yeah, they're Rapid Rooter brand, but the same thing as Root Riot. I didn't distrurb them last night, and am hoping to have a few more(many, would be even better.lol) rooted tonight when I check on 'em. I've been wanting to find out if they outperform peat pellets, and so far, looks to be the case. Hard to say, until another day goes by. I'm thinking that since the pellets are thicker, that the roots will take a few more hours to show through. Won't be long now.


EDIT: Cool, this is turning out to be a "Jiffy Peat Pellets vs. Rapid Rooter Plugs" comparison. Cool, it's time for me to stock up again, anyway. Will be nice to know which ones actually work best, or if they're the same. :leaf:
 

jawbrodt

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UPDATE: Just took another peek at the babies, 7 hours later,(while misting) and saw two more are also showing roots, from the Rapid Rooters. So far, it isn't looking good for my tried-and-true peat pellets.lol Hard to say though, alot can happen in the next 12 hours.


Damn, that means I have to transplant tonight or tomorrow. Grr.... :lol: Eh, I don't think I should be complaining, being that I'm growing perpetual, and need to get them rooted and vegging asap. I'm planning on skipping the party cups, and going straight to the 4 gallon pots. Should save another week, right there, me thinks. :bigjoint:

EDIT: My plans are to go with a 600 MH in veg, to further speed things up. On a light rail, it should kick ass, compared to my current setup. :cool:
 

jawbrodt

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I've decided to copy/paste this from my grow journal, in the Journal section, so that it might possibly get views from some new guys looking for tips. Hope someone finds it useful, even if for only for tips. :grin:

(it also gives me a good reason to bump my own thread.lol :wink:)


As per requested, I'm going to give ya'll a step by step, of my cloning process. :wink: It's nothing special, just the bare essentials. I currenty have had rooting times of just under 6 days, with all of them ready by day 8(today)...

-First off, I want to say that I don't keep a mother plant. I don't have the room, and it's not really necessary, IMO. After all, I only remove one or two of the lowest branches from my plants,(vegged 4-5 weeks, normally) which'd normally go to waste, during flowering. If anything, they get a few popcorn buds. Usually, they just die off, or get trimmed for airflow.

-I take cuttings that are still soft and flexible,(approx 1/8" in diameter) because they root faster than 'woody' cuttings. Also, I don't take cuttings that have discoloration, or deformed foliage. Heath is important for speed, IMO.

-I snip them about 1/4" from the main stem, then place them in a glass of plain water, for an hour or so, so that they are max hydrated. This keeps droop to a minimum.

-Then I hydrate(expand) my peat pellets, and 'fluff them', so to speak. Usually, the peat is compacted, and I like to break it up before use, by rolling them between my hands, and/or using a large nail to break them up, sorta 'stirring' them from the top. Then, I compress them just enough so that they stay together. I then take that nail, and open up a hole in the center(all the way to the bottom, minus 1/4")(I have duct tape wrapped around the nail, to guage depth), getting them ready for the cuttings to be inserted.

-The cuttings are ready now, after hydrating. I then trim the foliage. Typically, I keep the first two sets of larger fan leaves, and the grow tip. If the fan leave are around 3" long, or longer, I cut them back to around 2", cutting straight across the fingers.

-I use a razor blade to make the 45* cut(have used sharp scissors, with great results, as well)(a razor is preferred, though, because there is no risk of crushing the cutting). I also trim mine in open air, and not submerged under water. I don't believe that submerging removes any "air bubbles", as many believe. I make the cut 1/4-1/2" below a node, having cut the branches very close, even with the rest of the stem. That's it. No scraping, splitting the base, etc... no nothing.

-I use both powder and gel, have been experimenting with that, and they both perform exactly the same. I dip them and make sure an ince of stem, is well-covered with gel/powder.

-They are inserted into the pellets, almost the whole way to the bottom. IMO, depth is important. I've experimented with that, as well. The pellets are them given a light squeeze, and some water will be running out, as they're compressed. This part is critical. It's very important that the cutting is making good contact with the peat, as evenly as possible. I'm very picky about that, making sure it's tight from top to bottom, and evenly around all sides. I then spray them with water again, not so that they tirn to a pile of soaking mud, but close. That'll sustain them through the whole process, except for some mild mistings, after the first three days. Once a day, I'll give them 3-4 pumps with the spray bottle, making sure the outside of the pellets haven't dried.

-The are now ready to be placed in the humidity dome. I mist the tray, cuttings, and dome itself, then cover them, and place them under my light. IMO, less is more, when it comes to lighting. I believe that too much light, increase the tendency for foliage growth, rather than focusing on rooting. Spectrum isn't that important, either. I have no idea what mine is(around 4000K, I think). I use a 20 watt 2' tube fluoro, placed 4-6" above the dome. IMO, the photoperiod is what's important, more than spectrum or intensity. I use 18/6, for a smooth transition to veg, where I also use 18/6. I like to always make things as smooth as possible. It's only logical, IMO.

-Last but not least, is temperature. My room temps have been between 68-75*, fluctuating with day and night. I have my heating pad on a timer, set to kick on and off, every 15 minutes. I don't have a thermostat, and that timing works really well, as a substitute. I just checked the conditions inside my dome, and the temp is 75*, with humidity at 71%. Temps get up into the lower 80's, sometimes, which doesn't hurt at all. I try to keep it below 82*.

That pretty much covers it, and i hope you've found a tip or two, that is helpful. :smile: It's now close to day 8, and they all look to have started vegging, having grown a little already. They are now ready for transplant, which I hope to get done tomorrow. If I have time, I plan to go directly to my final sized pots, skipping a few transplants. This should save me some veg time. I also plan to use more perlite than usual, due to that decision. I don't want to risk the soil staying too wet for too long(the main cause of overwatering), and am planning to go with 25% perlite, to compensate for that. I know it'll work. They are then ready to be placed under full fluoro light,(I can't offer any advice on HIDs, other than to be careful of the heat. The babies are fragile at this point) and will soon take off. :wink:
 

jondamon

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That is a great guide you have their Jawbrodt.

+rep if i can lol I might have to share it out some more


J
 

jawbrodt

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^Thanks J, I tried to be as thorough as I could. Hmm...now that I think about it, I did leave out one thing....

....the water I used, was plain tapwater, with a PH of 6.9, and 35 PPM. Straight from the tap, with no time for evaporation.(it's pretty clean stuff, already)

Anyway...I'm glad you appreciated it. It took me a long time to type(I'm terribly slow.lol), and was thinking about posting it in it's own seperate thread, so that more new guys would see it. It's a cheap, easy way to clone, and I think some of the new growers might like to check it out. At any rate, after an hour of typing, I'd be satisfied if a couple guys found one or two useful tips.lol :bigjoint:

Hmm...I'm mixing dirt right now, but when I get back, I think I'm going to do that. I don't have to re-type it, so it'd be pretty quick to do. Cool.
 

jawbrodt

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Day 10, of being on 12/12, I did some LST last night,(all the tallest tops) and it appears to be working great. I'm hoping they stretch for anolther couple weeks, giving me the results I'm looking for.(a bunch of 8"10" mini-colas, similar to SCROG)
 

jawbrodt

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Time for a quick update...


It's day 12, of 12/12, and they're coming along pretty well. I'm happy with the large number of budsites, and the nice even canopy, due to the training. It's working like SCROG, without the screen. :grin: I just hope the training hasn't stunted bud development, but only time will tell. There's still 2-3 weeks of upward growth left, so I hope things open up a little more(stretches).

I also just gave them 2 soakings(foliar) of Dynagro Grow, and Calmag Plus, both at 1/2 strength. They got a full liter, in total.
 
Looking great, im growing nirvana white widow using bubbleponics and started around the same time. mine are on day 11 of flower. I will follow your grow and by the way love all the pics
 

jawbrodt

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^Thanks man. How are your's coming along? I'm thinking they might be a little bigger than mine, being that I had a bit of a slow veg? Any training? Do you have a journal started, I'd like to check out some pics? :)
 
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