First Grow Stealth Bubbleponics

Ray Fox

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I promised myself I would never join one of these marijuana forums, swore to myself... Unless one day I decided to start a grow op. Well here I am.

I should start by explaining that my set up is simple, I am using the Stealth Bubbleponics kit that is on their website. I am growing in a cardboard box approx. 5 feet by 2.5 feet, lined with white reflective duct tape. Due to the bubbleponics kit it looks as though I am getting a flourescent dual spectrum kit. However I am open to suggestions, I will most likely be replacing those lights with much larger flourescent lights (the kind that fit in a regular socket, not sure of the wattage)

Obviously I am planning a cheap, and preferably quick grow.

But Firstly are there any recommendations on which strain to grow? I am looking for something with a big yield and high potency (Aren't we all?) that grows small and bushy, fast, and of course, feminized.

Right now I am getting Nirvana ICE from Attitude Seeds. Though I am unsure how easy they are to grow.

Any suggestions? I need to order seeds by wednesday.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I promised myself I would never join one of these marijuana forums, swore to myself... Unless one day I decided to start a grow op. Well here I am.

I should start by explaining that my set up is simple, I am using the Stealth Bubbleponics kit that is on their website. I am growing in a cardboard box approx. 5 feet by 2.5 feet, lined with white reflective duct tape.
I hope 5 ft is not the Height.


Due to the bubbleponics kit it looks as though I am getting a flourescent dual spectrum kit. However I am open to suggestions, I will most likely be replacing those lights with much larger flourescent lights (the kind that fit in a regular socket, not sure of the wattage)

If you buy those Dual Spectrums as part of the kit, you get a good deal on them. If yu are NOT buying the kit, you can get lights cheaper somewhere else. If you have not bought yet, use the words growtips to get a 5% discount.

I did my first of 7 grows with their Dual Spectrums, 85 watts, and I did just fine, got 7 ounces of dried manicured buds. All of the SH bulbs are regular sockets. Everygrow I added two to 4 more bulbs. You can get a great deal on additional 65 Watt CFLS at Home Depot or Lowes for $16.95..

Obviously I am planning a cheap, and preferably quick grow.

But Firstly are there any recommendations on which strain to grow? I am looking for something with a big yield and high potency (Aren't we all?) that grows small and bushy, fast, and of course, feminized.

Make sure it is INDICA.

Right now I am getting Nirvana ICE from Attitude Seeds. Though I am unsure how easy they are to grow.

Any suggestions? I need to order seeds by wednesday.
Here is a condensed version of our thread:


Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic

and here is the long thread:

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/7897-stealth-hydro-bubbleponics-systems-446.html

let me know how I can help you.

btw, I wrote their Grow Manual.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Diagnosis and Recuperation Guide



Both new leaves and mature leaves are the best indicators to determine how healthy your plants are. Any problem or illness will first manifest itself in the appearance of your leaves. These problems almost always originate from the plant's environment, PH imbalance or over-feeding and under feeding. These problems always result in what is called "nutritional lock-out".

Nutritional Lockout
Allow us to GIVE you a simplified definition of NUTRIONAL LOCKOUT.
Can you imagine sitting a plate before a child at dinner time, with his most favorite food, hot dogs, ketchup and french fries? But also on the plate is a major portion of steamed broccoli, which he is just not fond of and insists on nibbling on. Now imagine telling that child, "you can not eat the hot dog and fries if you do not eat all the broccoli too". NUTRITONAL LOCKOUT is when the child responds with "well then, I just won't eat!"

Most Hydro nutes nutrients are both nutritionally and PH balanced. But after being in your tank for 5 or 6 days, and being eaten from for 5 or 6 days, they become imbalanced. Perhaps you are growing plants that ate all the nitrogen first and just snacked around the iron, magnesium and calcium, or visa versa. The results are discoloration in the leaves, yellowing or rust spots, or curling up of leaf tips. It also becomes apparent when your plants were consuming a gallon or half gallon of water every day, and then suddenly when you check the levels the next day, they did not drink any water at all. This is NUTRITIONAL LOCKOUT.

Instead of giving lengthy descriptions of indications of overfeeding, underfeeding, ph imbalance, environmental problems and Nutritional Lockout here, it is easier to just give the remedy. Here we will refer to this remedy as THE RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY.


THE 8 STEP RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY

1. Check the roots. If they are discolored, reddish or brown, or present an unpleasant odor, you have a problem. If they are weak, soft or mushy, you have a problem. Also while checking the roots, observe the temperature of the water. If it is warmer than "luke warm" you have a problem. This problem is probably what is referred to as "root rot" or a disease known as PYTHIUM. Remove the dead brown roots by trimming them away with sharp scissors. Do not leave them in the tank.
2. Check the humidity and temperature of the grow area below the lights in the "growing zone" when the lights are on. A temperature of above 82 degrees or below 67 degrees will slow growth, but it is not a serious problem that will kill your plants. Temperatures below 62 degrees or above 90 degrees will stop growth. An extremely high temperature in the upper 90s or below 58 degrees can slowly result in death of your plants. The most efficient temps for growth are between 72 to 80 degrees. Any Humidity between 40 and 60 percent is acceptable and desirable.
3. Check the "lights off, nighttime" temperature. Most desirable is ten to 15 degrees cooler than the daytime "lights on" temperature, averaging 66 to 70 degrees.
4. Check the distance between the tips of the plant and the tip of the light bulb. If you observe yellowing or leaf curling tips, then move the lights one inch further away. A good rule of thumb if you use HID lights, is hold the soft palm of your hand at the leaf tip and see if the bulb is too warm to your hand. If you use Stealth Hydro's compact fluorescent bulbs, we recommend a distance of three or four inches for the 65 and 85 watt bulbs and 4 inches to five inches for the 105 watt bulbs. More mature plants can handle the bulbs slightly closer.
5. Check the position of your fans. Air movement is very necessary for the health of your plants, but too strong of a fan can cause wind burn. Direct your fan toward the tops of the plants and toward the lights. Never position the fan blowing strongly downward on the leaves.
6. Add 1/4 teaspoon of 3% hydrogen peroxide to a gallon of water and add it to the tank per 5 gallons already in the tank. Wait ten minutes and then turn the water and nutrition solution pump off to prepare to drain the tank. Poor at least a cup of clean water through each grow cup, onto each rockwool cube and through the hydroton rocks.
7. Drain or pump the tank empty as possible without damaging the pump by running it dry. Add two gallons of additional clean water with 4 teaspoons of hydrogen peroxide again and then drain it away too. Again, empty the tank as empty as possible without burning up your pump.
8. Add fresh PH balanced water and nutritional packets as prescribed. PH test it again.

The above 8 steps should repair and remedy any health problems that your plants experienced within the next two days. Now is the time to try and determine what caused the problem to start with, by investigating and researching typical hydroponics problems and illnesses. Here are a few DIAGNOSIS TIPS.


Typical Hydroponics Problems and Illnesses

Underfeeding and Weak Nutrition
The entire plant, both upper and lower leaves, will show lime or light green in color.
The plant will not eat, drink or show growth.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Overfeeding, Use of Too Strong Nutrients
The leaves will curl downward. They grow very dark dull flat green and then the tips show signs of burn.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Nutritional Lockout
You know that you have made recent PH adjustments. You might know you may have used too much of the PH Adjustment Solution. You may have failed to test the PH often enough. You notice the plants did not eat or drink because they did not consume the same amount of water they used yesterday. You see rust spots. The large lower leaves are prematurely dying and you are not in the BLOOMING or FLOWERING stage.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Wind Burn
You had the fan blowing downward toward the upper side of the leaves, instead of blowing up through the node spaces or toward the lights. You observe the leaves becoming dry or even crispy, perhaps shriveling, and the tips curling upward. The leaves do not appear glossy, moist and vibrant.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Water, Nutrition Solution or Roots Are Discolored Brown Or Have an Unpleasant Odor
You notice your water is becoming brownish in color, or smells distasteful. Your solution does not smell pleasant and appetizing like fresh lettuce. Your roots are not the same shade of white that they once were a week ago.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.
 

Ray Fox

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Roseman, thanks so much for your prompt reply and your advice.

I hope 5 ft is not the Height.

Unfortunately the box we're using is 5.5 feet tall, and 2 x 2 wide. And Long story short, we HAVE to use it. Do you still think it will work? Should we get a different strain besides ICE that would grow shorter?

Make sure it is INDICA.

As per your advice, ICE has Afghani, Skunk and Northern Lights background so I think it is mostly Indica.

Also, is it really worth getting the Stealth bubbleponics kit? Or should we get the Mini Hydro Harvest with one 5000K Luni Twist? (The one from Hydroponicz)

We are first time growers and want to do this right but due to the conditions of necessary discretion, we need it as simply as possible and with as little maintenance as possible. Hence choosing a simple hydroponics kit.

Also, we're only growing 3 plants. That might be more helpful.

Please let me know!



 

Ray Fox

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Ray, are you a handy kind of guy? If so, check out this thread on another forum:

http://www.greenpassion.org/f39/diy-stealth-rubbermaid-growbox-225/

This may work for you.
Blueybong, I checked it out. Looks legit. The cardboard box design I'm using is based off of one grow box I saw on youtube, so I'm hoping it will work.

Here is the setup, tell me what you think:

1. approx 5.5' x 2' x 2' thick Cardboard box with white reflective electrical tape lining the insides. The "door" will also be made of thick cardboard which it will be easy to open with velcro lining. There will be a hole in the side for a fan.
2. Stealth Hydroponics system sitting on a piece of styrofoam at the bottom.
3. Two 6500K, 85 Watt CFL - 350 Watt incandescent bulbs at the top lowered above the plants with twine. If necessary I will add flourescents tubes on the sides.

Any other suggestions? I will post pictures of it as soon as I am done.
 

blueybong

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Blueybong, I checked it out. Looks legit. The cardboard box design I'm using is based off of one grow box I saw on youtube, so I'm hoping it will work.

Here is the setup, tell me what you think:

1. approx 5.5' x 2' x 2' thick Cardboard box with white reflective electrical tape lining the insides. The "door" will also be made of thick cardboard which it will be easy to open with velcro lining. There will be a hole in the side for a fan. Line it with mylar. Check out my journal, the early pages.
2. Stealth Hydroponics system sitting on a piece of styrofoam at the bottom.
3. Two 6500K, 85 Watt CFL - 350 Watt incandescent bulbs at the top lowered above the plants with twine. If necessary I will add flourescents tubes on the sides. I used three 85W bulbs and had nice results.

Any other suggestions? I will post pictures of it as soon as I am done.

Good to see you're looking for a nice short bush.

A pH & ppm meter are really nice. If you're using tap water, any generic liquid down will work.


 

Ray Fox

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Good to see you're looking for a nice short bush.

Did you have any type in mind that would be best? My preference is Nirvana seeds ICE but I'm open to suggestions.

A pH & ppm meter are really nice. If you're using tap water, any generic liquid down will work.

Liquid Down?
 

blueybong

Well-Known Member
Good to see you're looking for a nice short bush.

Did you have any type in mind that would be best? My preference is Nirvana seeds ICE but I'm open to suggestions.

A pH & ppm meter are really nice. If you're using tap water, any generic liquid down will work.

Liquid Down?
Liquid Down is pH Down. Normal tap water is around 7.0 to 7.6 and weed grows best with a pH of around 5.5 to 6.5 with 5.8 to 6.0 being the best. So you'll need to get some pH Down to get your tap water pH to the correct level.

I'm too new to offer any advice on what strain will grow short & bushy.

Peace!!
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Unfortunately the box we're using is 5.5 feet tall, and 2 x 2 wide. And Long story short, we HAVE to use it. Do you still think it will work? Should we get a different strain besides ICE that would grow shorter?

You can VEG a shorter period of time and you can bend them over too.



Also, is it really worth getting the Stealth bubbleponics kit? Or should we get the Mini Hydro Harvest with one 5000K Luni Twist? (The one from Hydroponicz)

I have 3 years and 7 grows with the SH Bubbleponics kit. I do nto know anything about Mini-hydro kit, so I don;t know.

We are first time growers and want to do this right but due to the conditions of necessary discretion, we need it as simply as possible and with as little maintenance as possible. Hence choosing a simple hydroponics kit.


You might consider a bucket or a hempy bucket or a DIY DWC bucket ro tank.
Also, we're only growing 3 plants. That might be more helpful.

Please let me know!



I can't advise you what to do, but I;'d be glad to advise you AFTER you decide.
 

Ray Fox

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Thank you so much Roseman and Blueybong!

We are ordering everything tomorrow and sketched out the plan as follows:

1. We are no longer ordering Nirvana ICE, but instead switched to White Label's WHITE ICE. It grows smaller, big yield and in a shorter period of time. (more expensive but attitude seeds is also sending 5 fem thai super skunk and 1 fem gigabud seed!!!)

2. The grow design stays the same, and we decided to keep the Stealth Hydroponics but instead buy the Dual Spectrum II upgrade (which if your familiar with, is 8400 lumens of blue and red light... Does that mean its 85 watt thought?).

3. Finally, the cardboard box design stays the same. I checked out Bluey's link to the plastic tub grow box and the dimensions are similar, if the box is not larger. The cardboard is about a half inch thick and lined entirely with white duct tape. Based off Bluey's new grow (What can I say? Thanks bluey) I'm using the scrog method and placing a screen above the plants if they start to get too close to the bulbs. Also we are getting an air ionizer to get rid of any smell.

All in all it should be good. After, no exaggeration, YEARS of reading about all kinds of various grow operations of all shade and color I'm very excited to see how my own will turn out after investing the proper time and money into it. Wish me luck gentleman. I will be posting pictures and no doubt looking for any advice you have to give.

RF
 

blueybong

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Thank you so much Roseman and Blueybong!

We are ordering everything tomorrow and sketched out the plan as follows:

1. We are no longer ordering Nirvana ICE, but instead switched to White Label's WHITE ICE. It grows smaller, big yield and in a shorter period of time. (more expensive but attitude seeds is also sending 5 fem thai super skunk and 1 fem gigabud seed!!!)

2. The grow design stays the same, and we decided to keep the Stealth Hydroponics but instead buy the Dual Spectrum II upgrade (which if your familiar with, is 8400 lumens of blue and red light... Does that mean its 85 watt thought?).The 85W bulbs are 4200 lumens each. So 8400 for two. Be sure you tell them you want the 85W, so they don't send you the 105W's.

3. Finally, the cardboard box design stays the same. I checked out Bluey's link to the plastic tub grow box and the dimensions are similar, if the box is not larger. The cardboard is about a half inch thick and lined entirely with white duct tape. Based off Bluey's new grow (What can I say? Thanks bluey) I'm using the scrog method and placing a screen above the plants if they start to get too close to the bulbs. Also we are getting an air ionizer to get rid of any smell. Lining the cardboard with mylar is the best, but white tape will work too.

All in all it should be good. After, no exaggeration, YEARS of reading about all kinds of various grow operations of all shade and color I'm very excited to see how my own will turn out after investing the proper time and money into it. Wish me luck gentleman. I will be posting pictures and no doubt looking for any advice you have to give.

RF
Rock on bro!!!!
 

Ray Fox

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As you can see, the grow box has been finished. Although there is no picture of it, the hydroponics kit is totally set up and we have now officially started germinating White Label's White Ice in rockwool!

Included is another picture of the box with ACCURATE measurements (for a change). I intend to start scrogging about 8 to 10 inches up (Supposedly these plants get huge) leaving approximately 3 x 2 feet of sheer grow space.

Comments? Suggestions?
 

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blueybong

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Is the white piece of pvc on the top an exhaust port?

You'll need to exhaust through the top side and allow enough of an opening on the bottom for fresh air.

Air circulation is how to keep your temps & humidity under control.

Peace!!
 

Ray Fox

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We have sproutage! Two of the three rockwool cubes have sprouts. We set up one light for for the plants and everything seems to be going nicely. We also added 1 half bag of Micro and 1 half bag of Grow nutrient mix to the water. We cut a hole in the corner of the box (Not visible, but its on the other side of the door) to let air in, and there is another hole (both approximately 2 x 2 inches) for air to vent through.

Any tips for the early sprouting stage?
 

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smokeitd

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don't add nutes.

your rockwool looks soaked.. shake off excess water, never squeeze.

don't put a lot of light on them. at first start with about 1 cfl per plant then add more as they get more leaves.

keep cfl about 4-5 inches away from them, then drop them to about 2-3 inches after a week
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
We have sproutage! Two of the three rockwool cubes have sprouts. We set up one light for for the plants and everything seems to be going nicely. We also added 1 half bag of Micro and 1 half bag of Grow nutrient mix to the water. We cut a hole in the corner of the box (Not visible, but its on the other side of the door) to let air in, and there is another hole (both approximately 2 x 2 inches) for air to vent through.

Any tips for the early sprouting stage?

What are your temps? temp of water? temp of area around the sprouts?
what is the pH?

Remember that in nature, in outdoors, a sprout comes up looking for food and light, but you did good with 1/2 to start with. I use dto start with a full packet and I dropped down to 1/4 packet at the sight of the 3rd and 4th leaf, then 1/4 packet added every other day. The Instruction CD says start with half and that works fine.
I hope you are using the 6500k bulb, if you are using just one. I suggest go ahead and use both, for the DUAL Spectrum.
If you place the lights too high or far away, like 4 or 5 inches, they will STRETCH TOO TALL, TOO early. I've done a ton of experiments for Stealth Hydro, and wrote reprots for them. One test was placement of bulbs. The 85s can be two inches close, with no harmful effect and with favorable effect.
Have you visited our SH thread?
here:Pics of Pot that is a link to the middle, where we have the most pics.
and here is a link to a condensed much shorter version of the same thread:
Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponic you really need to read it all, it is NOT too long.

Good Luck and let me know how we can help. Blueybong is an expert withthe SH bubbleponics system too.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
We have sproutage! Two of the three rockwool cubes have sprouts. We set up one light for for the plants and everything seems to be going nicely. We also added 1 half bag of Micro and 1 half bag of Grow nutrient mix to the water. We cut a hole in the corner of the box (Not visible, but its on the other side of the door) to let air in, and there is another hole (both approximately 2 x 2 inches) for air to vent through.

Any tips for the early sprouting stage?
RAY, I went back and studied your pics.

Are those feminized seeds? IF YES, then 3 is great. IF NOT, you should start 6 and remove the males later.
And, you need to make some covers, to cover the rocks, so LIGHT does not penetrate thru the rocks and give you algae. I use the bottoms cut out of styrafoam saucers, see:

After the plants are bushy, you don't need the covers.

AND your light is too far away.

Peace,
 

Ray Fox

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ROSEMAN,

Thank you so so much for this advice, this is exactly what we were looking for.

Are those feminized seeds?

Yes they are. We are growing 3 feminized White Ice plants.

you need to make some covers, to cover the rocks.

We realized that after giving your and Purpdaddy's grow journal another read through, and covered them with pieces of paper.

AND your light is too far away.

We moved the light closer to the plants, about 3 inches above them (though in this picture the red spectrum light needed to be lowered). Just for the record, we are using Dual Spectrum II lights. Also, notice the newest addition to the WI family! The PH is exactly 6.0 and I'm not sure of the exact temperature of the water, but we keep it at a temperature of just barely lukewarm. We're going to change water every Saturday. And another question: When you SCROG how do you keep the plants in place without breaking stems when changing the water?

- Ray Fox
 

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