Sickmeds William's Wonder: grow journal. review and all things Wiliams Wonder
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Jogro
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Nice. Hows the smell?
I think you should just be at the point where you should be starting to get a nice scent of tangerine/grapefruit if you carefully cup a bud and put your nose to it.
Bear Country
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Viva Las Vegas!!!! Bears version of " Happy Family "
Bear Country
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Actually Jogro asked me to post them here!! So I did
And yessss....W.W. is a friend of mine to LOL! Hope you enjoyed the pics!
Jogro
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LOL.
Bear was one of several who saw some of my pix and asked me how to post them. So that's why I put my tutorial up here.
I told him specifically to try posting here, if he liked. So it wasn't really "random", I asked him to post here as a test to see if my instructions were good enough. (Apparently they were)!
Back on WiWo, if your wife is having issues with you coming into week 4, she's going to have a FIT in another 4 weeks when your girls REALLY start to smell. If you have the ability to get extra odor control in place, I'd suggest doing so immediately.
By my "clock", your plants should be ready maybe Nov 11th -15th, get ready for some SERIOUS smell coming into mid October.
Jogro
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Here's a link to another RIU grow report on Williams Wonder:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/730981-williams-wonder-chop-day-pics.html
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/730981-williams-wonder-chop-day-pics.html
I guess my question is "what exactly is/are the strain(s) in the pics?
Jogro
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That's for Bearcountry to say.
I believe the lines are all crosses/lines he bred himself.
I'm just trying to prepare you.
FWIW, I had to upgrade my odor control twice for this one.
Bear Country
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SSHZ...There is a pretty good mix in this grouping. I started with a FIREALIEN cutting (Fire=OG Kush/Alien= Alien Kush) I picked up from a good friend (Cali Breeder) and bred her to a super Dank East Coast Purple Diesel male. I have been growing out that seed cross for a while now. I then selected a Male I liked from the FA X ECPD and used him to breed an assortment of different strains which include Vanilla Kush, Cannatonic, Northern Lights, Skunk #1 and others. There are also some pure ECPD in there, along with the original cross I speak of at the begining of this post. The Purple ones you see are a cross of Northern Lights X Skunk#1 X the FireAlien/ECPD cross. The purple seems to be a dominant gene in there as quite a few of the ones I grew outdoors purpled up the same way...at least 50%. The green phenos are very nice as well ,showing just a hint of purple. Quite a remarkable plant with outstanding potency! Of course all you have to do is look at the family line. I posted pics of these same crosses in the outdoor forum. The thread is Show and tell 2013,page 530, if you want to see how they grow outdoors. Very hardy strains that fill out heavy and can handle cold weather remarkably well! So there ya go brody!!
Bear
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How far along are they? What week? If your in late flowering...like week six or seven then its not to much of a problem unless you have other girls in there that are in week two or three ETC....then ya..its a problem. I would be willing to put money on it, if those beans were grown outdoors they would not throw out nannas. Unless your seeing the nannas in early flower?? Then it might be a problem outdoors. Its not unusual to see MANY strains that are grown indoors put out nannas in the last couple of weeks of flowering.
Two of those crosses I made showed nannas into late flowering. Keep in mind that they were in there with a whole mix of ladies. One showed in week six and the other showed by week 7. I left them in there with the nannas....I pulled a couple off then said fuck it. We pulled out one little seed so far ( puney) ...so small that it looked like the head of a pin needle...it is nothing to worry about.
Now those same strain crosses that are outdoors...not a one did that. They are coming down by weeks end as I have about 5% amber as of right now and should have 7 to 10% amber by friday...plus another cold front is on its way. They already went through one night @ 22 degrees and a second night @ 28 degrees. Its to much work to come this far to have consecutive days of hard freezing hit them and it looks like thats whats coming in by friday night...sooooo, time to bring them in!!
I have 8 of these plants in flowering. One showed male banana's up and down the entire main stem at about 13-14 days. The 2nd plant showed some banana's on secondary branches today day 22. Not on the entire plant, but maybe 4-5 branches. Everything is indoors. I have lots of things going (Grape God, N.L. #5) and no issues otherwise. I've grown literally a 1000 plants indoors over many years.......and some genetics are stable or not. These aren't. That's not to say it bad or not worthy of a grow........... it just becomes a harder grow dealing with it.
Bear Country
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Agreed, thats much to early to be showing. That means that this seed is unstable and prone to hermie activity. If it shows early indoors it could also do it outdoors. The crosses I was talking about in my previous post, they showed nannas but only in late flowering and the one thing I noticed on both those plants, was that they were finishing early....the one I saw at week 6 ,well was late week six entering week 7 when I noticed, the pistils had already turned and same with the one I found in mid week 7. Now, I grew those same genetics outdoors and I am happy to say that not a single plant out of , lets just say a few
, did not show any sign of hermie activity!!!By the way...just a note. Those girls that I posted on here, well that was a test run. I stressed the living shit out of them during that grow. I ran the room HOT, I deprived them of water, I kept them in small containers...let them get root bound and screwed with the lights a bit. Simply put...they went through hell. Other then a few nannas during late flower on a couple of plants and yeilds not being at thier max potential, they proved to be solid.
I grew W.W. years ago but it was all outdoors and I dont remember encountering any such problems. Some strains just dont do well indoors. The smallest things can cause them to stress and send them to nannaville. Good luck with the rest of your girls..I hope you dont struggle to much with the others.
Jogro
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Sorry to hear this.
FWIW, I've grown this several times each from ceed and clone, and never NOT seen bananas, but in most cases they were relatively limited to only a few clusters on a few individual buds and typically only started appearing around week 5-6. I never saw any seeding, even when I deliberately left them in place.
Don't know if it was the 'cause' but the single plant that showed the most bananas for me was also stressed by overwatering, which I had to do to preserve the plant over a prolonged absence. The only plant I had that showed true nodal male flowers (as opposed to "bananas") only made a few, then completely stopped. This was the plant I deliberately stressed with prolonged darkness. Haven't seen a "true" male yet, but I've only grown a relatively limited number of beans, relying more on clones.
In your case, bananas starting at week three is problematic and likely a bad pheno. Please keep us posted. If that particular plant doesn't improve shortly with your work, I'd strongly consider culling it.
As food for thought, another way to look at it is that out of 10 of your plants, 4 so far have shown significant male tendencies.
Given the skewed gender ratio (8/10 female for you, and 3/3 for me), I actually wonder if some of these intersex plants are actually genetic males that are phenotypically female (or maybe genetic female pheno dominant hermies). That may sound a little "crazy", but sexual expression in cannabis plants normally isn't strictly male/female like in people or most animals. Simple repeated culling of "pure" male plants for indoor growing after many generations would be expected to reduce the frequency of that sexual phenotype, with increases in others. The fact that Sickmeds had to bring this line back from a small number of viable beans can't have helped here, either.
Jogro
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Again, sounds weird, but I think the one that showed male pods on the mainstem is/was probably a late-declaring genetically male plant, despite some female flowers. Your one with the bananas is probably just an unusually hermie-prone female pheno.
I wouldn't use the term "unstable" since usually people refer to overall phenotypic variability with that term, but this line definitely has some sexual phenotype/hermie issues, and yeah, that makes dealing with this one a little bit more work.
I can tell you that having grown out multiple individual plants multiple times with clones that not only do individual plants put out different numbers of bananas mostly based on pheno, but the same individual plant will put out different numbers in different grows. Unfortunately, since I haven't controlled for temp, humidity, lighting distance, and nutes, all of which varied a bit from grow to grow, I can't tell you exactly which factor/s encourage hermies here.
My experience has also been that these typically appear on the lower branches. I speculated earlier that maybe this is because of lower light levels on said branches. Not sure.
Not having grown this outdoors, I can't comment on outdoors vs indoors, but IIRC Reddog from Sickmeds told me he's never seen so much as a single banana on these until he started growing indoors. . .so maybe there is something there.
colocowboy
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No it wouldn't, provided one used a real male for those successive filial generations! There is simply no correlative factor to influence that change in gametes pairing.