Bag Seed and a Budget

Welcome, and thanks for stopping by! Feel free to follow along as I attempt my first outdoor project, just please do not post here. I'll create a discussion page :wink:

This project started with 2 plants I attempted to grow in earth soil and plastic cups. I wanted, and still want, to grow 100% organic. I started the seeds with the paper towel method, dug up some earth dirt from the woods behind my house, and planted two germ'd seeds on 5-1-12. The soil kept drying out, it was hard to keep moist enough for the babies, and the idea I HAD to nurse them a little came to mind. The investment idea was born on 5-8-12, after a full week with no signs of life. I tipped out the soil in the plastic cups, cracked open said soil, and went looking for my seedlings. I found them, half growing, yellowish, trying their hardest to break through the top layer of the soil, but they still had about a quarter of an inch to go. Their taproots looked very furry, almost cotton-like but very brittle, but I managed to painstakingly remove them with ZERO damage to their roots! I planted them back into the same plastic cups but with some seedling mix I had bought, and covered them all the way just like they were when I took them out of the earth soil, and watered vigorously. They're now my miracles, and within this journal will be referred to as my "plastic cups."

That day I decided to go with a $100 budget. So far I've spent about $50. I bought a Jiffy tray and lid, to create a makeshift humidity tray, for $3. Got 24 Jiffy Pots size 2, cost $1 for a pack of 12. I chose the Jiffy pots because they're perfect in size, are very affordable, and are 100% organic. I've never used them before, so originally I chose them for the ease of which they claim to transplant. I'm a little skeptical I wonder if the plants will actually be able to grow their roots THROUGH the cups. If so transplanting will be a super easy task. However, if the claims are right, I suspect I'll have to break the pots apart during transplanting, which me being a worrisome individual will end up doing anyways. The bag of Jiffy Organic Seed Starting Mix, cost $4, was my best investment so far. The seed starting mix is both affordable and 100% organic, and right off the bat was a hit. Never used it before but it looks good and my seedlings are responding well to it, and I LOVED how it brought my plastic cups back from what appeared to be sure death. Single GE 55 watt CFL, cost $12 online. Sunbeam heating pad, chosen for it's "auto on/continuous" feature, which is a MUST unless you want it shutting off on you after an hour or two, cost $23. Reverse osmosis bottled water, case of 32 kept at room temp, cost $4.

I've been gathering a bunch of bag seed over the past month. Haven't a clue as to what strain these seeds are, but the buds they came from is what we call the usual reg, which around here cost about $20-$25 an 8th, or what we call a half quarter. Altogether I collected about 50 seeds, tossed out all white immatures, and placed them into a shotglass of bottled water. On 5-6-12 I set the glass on top of my water heater, a perfect warm/dark spot, and covered it up so any light didn't leak through. I checked them everyday, and on the next day, 5-7-12, they were just starting to sink to the bottom. On 5-8-12 I noticed 2 seeds had split open and showed a little tap root. As soon as I saw them I took them out and planted them about an inch down in my Jiffy mix and cups, one seed per cup of course. On 5-9-12 I pulled another 4. The next day, 5-10-12, I removed the rest of the seeds, changed the water in the glass due to a murky appearance, and replaced all back like it was, after removing another 4 for planting. 5-11-12 yielded another 4.

Yesterday was 5-12-12, a.k.a. day 6. No other seeds looked like they were going to show any life. Water temp is low 80s, so it couldn't be that. No light, couldn't be that. Maybe they're bad seeds, maybe they've drowned...or maybe they needed help. I had an idea so I took them out of the glass, placed each one between my fingers, and gently cracked them all open taking great care to make sure I split them exactly where the others that showed roots had split. Once done I placed them all back in the glass and went to bed. Today, day 7, I pulled and planted 4 more seeds. I see a few more seeds in the shotglass that look like some white is peeking, just about to poke through, so I could plant some more tomorrow. If not, I'll let them soak some more!

Side note: I actually learned something about MJ seeds that I haven't read anywhere. You can soak them for a week, crack them open, and force them to germ. Seemed like everywhere I read on the subject said don't let seeds soak for more than 3 days MAX. I haven't claimed I've read every single book, or e-zine, or article on germination, but what I did read all said 3 days. Also too I never read about someone cracking open 6-days-soaked seeds and planting them the next day. Hopefully you've read about it first here and it'll save you from throwing out what could be potentially LATE bloomers. I'm keeping track of these seeds to see if this works, and if so I'll soak my seeds for 2 weeks from now on...what do I have to lose?

All together I have 20 potted seeds...18 in Jiffy pots and my 2 plastic cups. All together I have 4 sprouts. The next couple days should be exciting!
 

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I woke up this morning to a couple of things. First thing I checked my shotglass to see if any seeds happened to germ. One did. The rest didn't look so good so I potted the one that looked good and tossed the rest. No matter I have another batch started, approx 15 hearty looking seeds, so hopefully within the next couple of days I'll pot some more.

Checked in on the humidity tray and found my 2 plastic cups and one of my other seedlings stretching for light, so I'm beginning early LST for these noobs. I want them to keep pace with my others that have yet to break soil, so I carefully bent them down and covered their stems with some potting soil to add a little weight and hold them down. As young as these are I don't want to use thread or other devices yet as I'm not sure if my plants will grow over the thread or whatever and cause internal problems down the road. But the way I did it looks like the plants may not experience any stress at all, and minimal is what I was shooting for so wish me luck. I've never LST'd a plant before, and from what I read people tend to advise you wait until the plant gets a good node or two. I haven't read anything otherwise, so even if you feel like it's too early, well, like I said my idea is to keep them stunted a tad so the others have time to pop soil and hopefully catch up. At this pace my sprouts will outgrow the humidity tray before the others pop up. I want to transplant them all outdoors when they're ready, but I would love for them to all be ready at the same time. Wish in one hand...

Also in my humidity tray I noticed we have a new one popping up. She (hopefully not "he") is seedling #5. Pictures below, so say hello!
 

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Keeping a close eye on my plastic cups, which I'll now call pc1 and pc2, and #3 for any signs of harm due to the LST. So far so great they're responding wonderfully and pc2 is actually breaking up the soil I covered her up with. Based on that I resorted to propping a galvanized nail on them to weigh them down. This way I can easily remove them if need be but so far so good. Pc2 is now, barely 5 hours later, bending around the nail. Pc1 and #3 seem to be responding in a similar fashion albeit not as aggressively. Plus I'm spinning their cups around with their bending facing away from the light so that it may encourage them to bend back towards it. Going really good right now, but still wish us luck :-P

Oh I almost forgot to mention I'm also keeping a photo album on here as well, to coincide with my journal. Feel free to take a peek as there will likely be many more pictures there than here.

Check me out here or at https://www.rollitup.org/members/superneegrow-437053/albums/first-outdoor-grow-27297/ and thanks for looking!
 

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Well, day 13 is about at its end. Checked on the nursery a few minutes ago and counted 10 sprouts all together, with another 2 bulging. Posted new pictures in the album of all the family, so feel free to have a look and comment. Below are just the new ladies. I know they're only seedlings, but I'm too excited! 10 of 21 pots sprouted, so I'm halfway to my goal!

Shoot, almost forgot to check on my seeds still germin'...:peace:
 

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Been a busy day today. Both at my real job and in the humidity tray. Good news and bad, so first the bad...

#4, for whatever reason, decided to pass on. She popped up, hung around for a few days, and not once did she open her leaves. She fell over. I tried to support her with a clump of soil, but she withered away sometime while I was at work today. She will be missed :sad:

Now the good news! Everything besides #4's death has been right on schedule. There's lots of new faces in the humidity tray now. As of right now, 9:45pm EST, total head count is 13. Another 2 have poked through the soil but haven't popped up yet, but they make 15 total. 5 pots remain, and one or two of them may be bulging but it's hard to tell. I might be wishful thinking. Remember the seeds I cracked, germed, and planted? 5 all together, I planted 4 of them 2 days ago and the last one yesterday. To keep pace with their sisters they still have up to 3 or 4 days to pop up. #hope

Pc1 and pc2 are now in the wild. Pc1 is in the ground, while pc2 is still in her cup. I read an interesting article on here that someone wrote about a "soil food web" and other things, and it solidified what I was going for and that's minimal disturbance. I took a hand rake and hand spade, a tiny extra bit of organic soil, and set pc1 in a hole I dug about 1' round, 1' deep. Once I carefully propped her up with the soil I had her in, I filled her in with the bit I brought and covered her up with what I dug. There were a few roots to dig through, but they weren't as bad as I expected. Only question now is will these roots harm or help pc1? I'm not a botanist I have no idea what the surrounding foliage is...I just know it's not ivy lol. Pc2 is just staying outside tonight near her sister. Tomorrow I'll follow up a planting with a check up :clap:

Starting tomorrow and each day thereafter I plan on taking a few to their locations. From there the pictures may be few and far between until harvest but I"m sure you all understand. In the meantime here's a few new ones from today.
 

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mrsa

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This is the way I started to grow, and I see the madness of the grower has hit you as well, like a scientist in a lab. One thg about bagged seeds I noticed, some have life and others dont so if you trying to sprout 10 seeds you might only get 4 or 5 real good ones. Another thing is if they dont crack in two to three days, toss them. That means there not a healthy seed. Even though you may be worried about late bloomers, remember this is a plant you are going to intake at one point or another. If it doesnt show a great start, it might not show great growth. It look like so far your doing great. Outdoor growing takes a little longer and before just regular soil (even though I saw you have some succesful ones) do the cups first, its great for root develop ment and are awesome to just sliceaprt and transport when they get bigger. Also the SOIL MATTERS, I can not stress it enough, coming from a broke as no joke person I splurge on Organic soil, That Ocean forest or Maine forest or anyone of those ARE EXCELLENT. Trust I lost 5 babies by not haveing the right soil. Also throwing a few Perlite in there for airflow for the roots has made the difference. I applaud your effort and keep up the good work !!!!!!!
 
I really truly deeply appreciate the advice and love, MRSA, but I wish you didn't post in here lol. First line, second sentence, first post above. But really thank you just in the future please discuss this with me in my discussion page...the link is in my sig or in the second post above :razz:

Well, today was a pretty sad day...another death. Pc1, freshly planted, was promptly dug up and snacked on by a local critter. Not sure exactly what it was, but there were no tracks, no trail, or anything of the sort which leads me to believe it was something small. Whatever it was dug out my entire hole, didn't just eat the seedling but dug it completely out. So anywho I learned valuable lesson #1. When transplanting a seedling outdoors it's IMPERATIVE to set up a defense system at, or before, planting. So simple it escaped me. But my plan for critter control has to be something simple, organic. Moth balls spread around the plant with a toothpick through them to keep them in place, cat hair spread about from my 2 cats that shed like flippin crazy, Irish Spring soap shavings spread about, maybe a pepper combination like cayenne or something crazy strong. I'm also thinking of human hair from a local barbershop or even hair or urine from a predator indigenous to my area...coyote, bobcat, etc. I have to come up with a GREAT solution, not a good one, for I really really really can't afford to waste all of my efforts on planting food for the local wildlife. If any of you who read this happen to know of a proven tried and true method to keep the wild critters away I'd LOVE to hear it! ALL CRITTERS lol. Just please post it in my discussion page. Thanks in advance, I have to get this crackin. What do you guys think of pellets, or sprays? Fences? Fire away pleeeeeease.

On another note head count is now 15. 4 pots remain silent. Wait, scratch that, I added 6 more today so I now have 10. I checked my shotglass earlier and found 6 seeds germ'd ready for planting. Looks like Pc1 and #4 will be missed, but only briefly lol. Took some pics but I'm not bothering with uploading them today, sorry. I'll post them to my album tomorrow after work.
 
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