Goin Loco, First Colorado Medical Grow, Lots of Learnin

I noticed yesterday while keepin an eye on things that I had the first sign of nute burn (last pic)

I am aware that I put her in the big pot just 2 weeks ago with fresh soil, this translates into does not need nutes for several weeks,,,,DUH

My bad, but A. I wanted to be sure she had enough of what she needs and B. want to have a better idea of how she like Jack's Nutes

Flushed her with 6.5 ph'd water till run off tested 6.4 and was mostly clear (don't have a ppm meter)

Got to see her curl her leaves (serated tips down) this means she is trying to slow her transpiration down (for those that don't read, the oppisite, tips curling up means she is transpiring to much)

While I had her out I made some adjustments to her LST and raised the light to the last hook, I am now out of room, if she grows much more my bud topping experiment may get done to all the buds

The pics were taken this morning after lights on, She is looking good so far, we'll keep watching her.

Well as an experimenter I can not ignore what I'm seeing, so I have topped a second bud (next to smallest) to comfirm that what I see is being caused by the first bud topping

We'll know in about a week

Excellant ,everything looking good ,keep up the good work .

looking very good, subscribed!

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I am updating progress on the bud topping

there is no doubt first topped bud is frosting more than the others

riddleme said:

Thanks guys for following, feel free to comment or ask questions

I am updating progress on the bud topping

there is no doubt first topped bud is frosting more than the others

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NICE BUD PORN ! iyho do you think it ll yield more becuse you topped it like that . i ll say that it frostin up real good . even if yilds not improved make ake it even more potent, hum wat uu think ???
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Def is frostier, growth seems slow but so far hard to tell ?

the other buds are beginning to frost a bit more, gonna wait a few more days to update pics

also started the next experiment

Gonna reduce the light time by 15 minutes each week and the night time temps by 2 degrees, started last night have been at 70 degrees last night went to 68, trying to replicate natures fall changes a bit to see what happens?

I like your way of thinking.

You have read quite a lot, but there are some things i don't agree on:

1. the blue light on the bottom. If you use tons of CFLs you might want to add a few blue spectrum bulbs. However, half of your plant is getting mainly blue light.
blue light mimics the summer while red mimics the fall. in flowering you want "fall".
I would have used only red lights.

2. Your LST method seems not agressive enough for me.
I would have just screened the plant around the main light from as low as possible to make it hug the light.

3. Your way of checking things isn't really scientific. You always need another plant to compare.
The bud topping subject isn't going to tell you nothing as long as you don't have a clone to compare.
In my plants some buds are frostier than others without any relation to how big they are.

4. I too don't believe the more light the better. a 42W light is more than enough for a square feet.
However, that only true if you grow no further than 1" from the light.
My summer grow would be based on a single 42W red CFL for flowering, inside a 6" DIY cooltube when the plants are left to hug the cooltube and form an effortless screen on green.


Overall, it seems like you would have a good harvest but to me it seems your way over-doing everything.

For a first grow I would recommand just getting 2-3 high W CFLs (42W and higher. If possible 2 of the blue spectrum and 3 of the red. If not, just red), some reflective material (or flat white paint), one exhaust fan, one air circulation fan, some coco\perlite and nutes and some cheap seeds. And a cheap digital PH meter. A temp\humidity meter would help as well.
I believe that thoes things are all you need to start a good grow.
I also believe that a test run is a great source of info. much better than some books I've read. And might be cheaper.

Night Claptoman said:

I like your way of thinking.

You have read quite a lot, but there are some things i don't agree on:

1. the blue light on the bottom. If you use tons of CFLs you might want to add a few blue spectrum bulbs. However, half of your plant is getting mainly blue light.
blue light mimics the summer while red mimics the fall. in flowering you want "fall".
I would have used only red lights..

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Have you ever tried to power a solar panel with just red lights? Red light puts out
the least amount of energy, blue light is more efficient... Full spectrum light is
the best.. The blue light "mimics" the summer and the red light "mimics" fall
is a dated way of thinking.. Plants want light like the sun, during different seasons
the sun doesn't put out different frequencies or spectrums.... Humans can't
selectively pick the light from the sun, nature doesn't have a brick wall that says
400-700 nanometers. In order to fully metabolize plants need full spectrum
high frequency light.

He is doing everything correctly from a horticultural standpoint..

i hope to move to colorado with some friends some day.....

blue or red spectrum ment CFLs that have a full spectrum with intensified blue or red.
AKA 6500 Kelvin or 2700 Kelvin rated.
They put out the other frequencies as well.

I like your way of thinking.
Thank you, this is not my first rodeo but has been a lot of years ago
so trying to bring my knowledge & skills up to date

You have read quite a lot, but there are some things i don't agree on:

1. the blue light on the bottom. If you use tons of CFLs you might want to add a few blue spectrum bulbs. However, half of your plant is getting mainly blue light.
blue light mimics the summer while red mimics the fall. in flowering you want "fall".
I would have used only red lights.


Well there is method to my madness, believe it or not. I intend to do a double harvest and a re-veg afterwards, with this in mind I want the bottom to go slower and stay lush & green. All my research has indicated that mixed spectrum is best, my design is based on my intended goals.


2. Your LST method seems not agressive enough for me.
I would have just screened the plant around the main light from as low as possible to make it hug the light.

not agressive enough for you, but doing exactly as I intended

3. Your way of checking things isn't really scientific. You always need another plant to compare.
The bud topping subject isn't going to tell you nothing as long as you don't have a clone to compare.
In my plants some buds are frostier than others without any relation to how big they are.

I agree a side by side is a more accurate test, but I am happy to see what happens. I will not proclaim that it a 100% proven method but I have nothing to lose by trying, watching and learning
And if the little buds end up bigger than the bigger buds you can bet others will follow


4. I too don't believe the more light the better. a 42W light is more than enough for a square feet.
However, that only true if you grow no further than 1" from the light.
My summer grow would be based on a single 42W red CFL for flowering, inside a 6" DIY cooltube when the plants are left to hug the cooltube and form an effortless screen on green.

I would follow such a grow, it sounds interesting


Overall, it seems like you would have a good harvest but to me it seems your way over-doing everything.

Over doing on purpose LOL wanna get it all out of my system and like I said in an earlier post I'll be happy with an oz

For a first grow I would recommand just getting 2-3 high W CFLs (42W and higher. If possible 2 of the blue spectrum and 3 of the red. If not, just red), some reflective material (or flat white paint), one exhaust fan, one air circulation fan, some coco\perlite and nutes and some cheap seeds. And a cheap digital PH meter. A temp\humidity meter would help as well.
I believe that thoes things are all you need to start a good grow.

I only need one fan because the grow area is not sealed (no need for intake or exhaust) it's a medical grow don't need stealth and there is no odor at all so far (why I got the strain I got). The one cfl thing was just to prove it can be done, mostly for others that bitch about moving the cfl's all the time. Once this is done I will be switching to CMH, it has a full spectrum plus UV the pic is a comparrison between CMH and HPS

I also believe that a test run is a great source of info. much better than some books I've read. And might be cheaper.

I agree testing for yourself is better than taking the words in books (or forums) as gospell. But with out the reading I would not have come up with the ideas to test in the first place.

I appreciate your comments and hope all your grows are good ones

Shrubs First said:

Have you ever tried to power a solar panel with just red lights? Red light puts out
the least amount of energy, blue light is more efficient... Full spectrum light is
the best.. The blue light "mimics" the summer and the red light "mimics" fall
is a dated way of thinking.. Plants want light like the sun, during different seasons
the sun doesn't put out different frequencies or spectrums.... Humans can't
selectively pick the light from the sun, nature doesn't have a brick wall that says
400-700 nanometers. In order to fully metabolize plants need full spectrum
high frequency light.

He is doing everything correctly from a horticultural standpoint..

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Thanks for watching Shrubs, I'm not all organic but I'm trying

T@ll T33 said:

i hope to move to colorado with some friends some day.....

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Welcome, Colorado is a great state!

Night Claptoman said:

blue or red spectrum ment CFLs that have a full spectrum with intensified blue or red.
AKA 6500 Kelvin or 2700 Kelvin rated.
They put out the other frequencies as well.

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In all my research I did not find one single light that compared to the spectrum output of a CMH

If you plan on re-vegging thats another story.

To maximize the light I like to LST all over the light. Reflected light is less effective so getting around the light will get the plant more light.

The bud topping sounds odd to me, but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. I should try it for myself one day.

If by the last 3 weeks of flowering you don't get much smell you probably done something wrong. I grew Payaya and Blue Mystic, which are really low odor strain, a few times. While they do not stink nearly as much as my other strains they smell enough to stink the house.

Matilda is looking good, doing well very lush and green

I get the feeling that she liked her flush, I thought with the excessive flush that I would have to wait longer for the soil to dry out, not the case

I fed her a cocktail this morning 1/4 Jack's bloom, 1 tsp mollases and 1/2 oz of h2o2, let it set over night and thought it was cool that it looked like some kind of soda, with fizzies on top

Gonna wait till sunday to take more pics, that will be day 7 for bud #2

but gotta tell ya that the other buds are starting to frost up now, I am even seeing trichs on the little popcorn buds that are closest to the T9

Plus want to share with folks following this that I found a new soil last night, gonna start using it with my next grow, I am very impressed with thier web site, lots of really good info but mostly I like that they have a quick fix line of products to solve problems, my favorite nursery carries it so I'm stoked to get some
http://www.espoma.com/

Check it out, the nute deficiency chart is worth the trip alone, here,,,,,
http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/basics_01.html

I was looking at their soil amendments. Couldn't get any around here though.

If you have access to all thoes things you can try out the Subcool's super soil recipe. He has a forum around here in the organic section.

Well I did not want to wait till sunday after looking this mornig I thought what a better way to ring in the new year by sharing bud porn, got some great pics today so thought I'd share

Tomorrow will be the "official" start of week 5

I included a fatter pic that shows topped bud #1 is getting fatter than bud next to it while untopped buds are still getting taller #1 is actually as fat as the 2nd biggest bud now

also got a pic of the popcorn bud I mentioned

my nickname for this one 1 is frosty the snowman.lookin good bro keep up the good work .oh btw did miss what strain u r growing ? also i ave done a lil reading on the cmh bulb thats good stuff cant wait to see in it action