Sun Hut Silver - Chocolope, Alaskan Ice, Pure Power

Alright, after pleading for help randomly in other sections I am finally starting a journal. Here's the summary

Lighting - 600 watt (dimmable) hid's mh right now and 6 led growmaster bars for experimentation's sake, at the time the ballasts are at 75% - so this should be aabout 450w

Ventaliation - 8" max fan pulling through cool tubes way far away, 6" can fan hooked to can66 filter right now its pumping filtered air outside the tent - but i am thinking about hooking it up to the cool tubes - because I feel like I'm gonna start to have some serious dust forming in the cool tubes and would like to avoid taking them apart. Any thoughts?
Te tent has flaps for passive intake and for right now they're not sealed up for two reasons, I'm still in veg so light in isnt a huge issue, and smell out isnt either. Also, if they're sealed up i've gotta hook something else up for intake so the tent doesnt collapse.

Medium - pro mix with a layer of gravel at the bottom

Nutrients - Genesis system by GreenAir, right now grow 2 and microbase, also greenfuse root supplement, ph'd to about 6.2 they got their first real feeding earlier this week about 650 ppm.

Alright, so the seeds popped on or around feb 6th and I've had some issues with fluctuating heat, and baically me trying to contro things too much. Two of the chocolopes have had a hard time recovering from a bout with downey mildew (serenade works great for any fungi btw.)

One of the Alaskan Ice's, which was by far the biggest burliest plant has all the sudden started looking really sick. Her sister next to her is thriving - but looks like a totally different pheno. Leave damage that you see can be attributed to two things - not fimming close enough and a shop vac that got posesses and swung arouhnd trying to eat the plants. That AI got the worst of it (I cut off some really sickly looking leaves - they had the yellowing plus little rust colored patches all over.

I am pretty sure that there arent any pests because I've checked and checked - but some of the leaves look like they're being chewed by something. So, if there is something it's not staying put. Now, i have a cup in there filled with boric acid mixed with a glob of jam. Supposedly the Jam will attract the bugs and the boric acid dries them up - i know that ba will suck the oisture right out of fleas and flea eggs so it makes sense. I have some dr. doom bombs on the way just in case. So, now I'll start to post some pics starting with when I moved them into the tent.

These are updated pics showing several of the plants, the sickly AI, and what it looks like with just the led's on. I think that I have hit on something with the LED's - I can set up timers to shut off my cool tubes (and the ventalation) but still leave the leds on while the tent fills with co2 - this is a great application i think so we can control both the co2 and heat. Of course it comes with a cost but hopefully they will last a very long time. The last pic is of the AI new growth - you can hopefully see the burnt type look on the new growth. I really wish I took pics of the leaves I cut off but I was so freaked out.

Hello, this post is solely in reference to the all the sudden troubled Alaskan Ice. Here are some update pictures. The chewing and scarring seem to be getting worse and still no sign of any bugs. The scarring that you see down the middle of the leaves is present on a couple of the other plants as well but not the crazy splotchyness and not to the same extent. It is also happening on new growth down at the bottom of the AI plant. Any ideas? before the incident with the shop vac this was the strongest looking plant.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there some pest that I can't see? It must move real quick and chomp like hell. But - what about those light colored scrape looking things that eventually turn into holes?

I am really starting to worry about the splotchy leaves. The only thing I could find in the sticky that looked like it was the mg deficiency but I have no idea? The brown spots dont really show up well in the pics and I had already cut some of the worst leaves off. Do you all think the splotchyness and the little cuts in the leaves are linked? I swear I dont see any evidence of pests and have had a hot shot strip in there for 24 hours. Any ideas??? I think my ph is good b/c I'm using 6.0-6.5 after nutes are added, the soil is pro mix which has dolomitic lime to buffer the ph. Unfortunately I can't test the runoff b/c I jsut have a dropper ph tester.

The first few pics are of the plant in question. Then the other plants from it's tub (the tiny one is getting tossed - never recovered from downey mildew.) The real bushy one is another Alaskan ICe - different pheno, the other healthy one is G13 Pure Power and the two weak ones ar chocolope. Then THere's a pic of four pretty healthy chocolopes. So far five of the plants have shown their pretty white hairs.

Btw, if they look a little droopy its because lights just came on and they got watered yesterday. Water included feed - Genisis Microbase, Grow 2, and Bloom 3 (bloom for root devel) and traces of greenfuse root stimulator. Total ppm - 1150, ph'd to 6.0-6.5 after everything was added.

Well, things seem to be moving along - the sickly plant still looks sickly. Here are pics of leaves from some other plants showing the same type of scraping. I can't find any bugs and none seem to be appearing in my jelly and boric acid mix. Some of the new growth at the bottom of a couple plants appears chewed as well. I still have the hot shot strip in there, not sure if it's doing anything or if there are even any bugs in there.

overmyhead said:

Well, things seem to be moving along - the sickly plant still looks sickly. Here are pics of leaves from some other plants showing the same type of scraping. I can't find any bugs and none seem to be appearing in my jelly and boric acid mix. Some of the new growth at the bottom of a couple plants appears chewed as well. I still have the hot shot strip in there, not sure if it's doing anything or if there are even any bugs in there.

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Subscribed....have a real similar system as well as alaskan ice going so I will follow closely. As for the leaves, it kinda looks like what I had happen on my last grow. Is that plant in an identical container to the others? If not it could be nute lockout. Last grow I had one plant that had an issue out of 8....turns out the container I used wasn't draining as well as it should. Just a thought.
If you have any sticky fly traps try hanging one near the areas you see affected....just not close enough that the breeze carries it in to your plant. Give it a day or so.

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NVM on pots.....looked at the photos again and your using bags

shipinit said:

Subscribed....have a real similar system as well as alaskan ice going so I will follow closely. As for the leaves, it kinda looks like what I had happen on my last grow. Is that plant in an identical container to the others? If not it could be nute lockout. Last grow I had one plant that had an issue out of 8....turns out the container I used wasn't draining as well as it should. Just a thought.
If you have any sticky fly traps try hanging one near the areas you see affected....just not close enough that the breeze carries it in to your plant. Give it a day or so.

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NVM on pots.....looked at the photos again and your using bags

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Yep bags, with holes in the side - plus theres like an inch and a half of gravel in the bottom. I have the traps but they arent hanging (well they are now) you can probably see them down in the tubs (yellow.) Im hopeing that the hot shot pest strip will kill stuff. If you've got a journal I'll check it out.

Alright, just got finished transplating into their final pots (tubs) and wanted to share some pics. THe tubs have 2 inches of gravel in the bottom (obviously there are hole drilled too.) As you can see I used plastic coat hangers to create some space between the tubs and the masonry tubs that I'm using to catch runoff. Still using just pro mix, no nutes this time except for some cal mag. Also, I sprinkled in some very special ashes as a memorial. Just a tiny bit in each tub. Now I'll crank the lights up to 100% and veg/train out for a few weeks. So far ass that have shown sex are girls Yes, I know they look droopy, they just got woke up, got transplanted and watered - you should see how droopy I am right now!

Well, I havent checked things today - for the first time in a while I got out and went fishing with a good buddy. I know this isnt plant related but it sure was fun! We had several double hookups and this was my nicest of the day - 34" inshore red.

Love the setup, and the plants look great too. One thing I noticed though, I think the amount of ducting you have conjoining the two lights is a little too much. If it was shorter there would less constriction and air would flow a lot better. Good luck and keep up the nice work

tom__420 said:

Love the setup, and the plants look great too. One thing I noticed though, I think the amount of ducting you have conjoining the two lights is a little too much. If it was shorter there would less constriction and air would flow a lot better. Good luck and keep up the nice work

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Tom, thanks for looking - yeah, i think that every day but I wasnt sure about where the lights would be situated so I wanted to have some flexibility. Even thought about tightening it up some and taping in place. Luckily the fan hooked up to them is a beast (670 cfm.) When I switch bulbs in a few weeks Ill prob cut some out. Along with some of the ducting on either side. I'm jsut worn out at this point and need to actually do some work.

Try 1/4 teaspoon of hydrogen peroxide per gal. of water , if the cal mag does'nt work.

Alright, here's an update with pictures. These were taken about half way through the light cycle today. The pots look really dry but there is moisture deep down (they have only been in them two days) and I wanted to force some root growth. They have yet to receive a real full strenth feeding, with the transplant I only used cal mag and a micro supplement (greenfuse root enhancer.) Plan to give them a good watering tomorrow. Should I feed them? There's so many opinions out there - what looks like overfeeding to one person is a deficiency to another?????

A whole pic was taken of each plant and then if there were any issues with that plant there are close ups.
1. Pure Power - looks extremely vigorous except some yellowing on the tips of some new growth. My Camera isnt very good at picking up subtle differences in colors but hopefully you can see what I mean.
2. Alaskan Ice - this one looks great but completely different than the other - super thick broad leaves.
3. Alaskan Ice - this one seems to be looking a little better after the cal mag but still seems to be getting chewed on.
4. Chocolope - looks good but some scraping effects on leaves - there has to be a pest that I can't see.
5. Chocolope - some scraping and yellow tips on some new growth
6. Chocolope - seems good
7. Chocolope - seems good

Any ideas on those little lines that turn into holes????

Alright, so for the first time in the new pots I soaked one of the plants all the way through (the others still have moisture on the outside edges and I want them to shoot roots out to find it. I watered it with phd (6.5), filtered water with a tiny bit of cal mag and some micro root stimulants. THe ppm was 150.

SO I decided to pull some runoff and test it since I now have a ph pen. Well, I am a little bit freaked out about the results and doubtful as to their accuracy. The ph registered 5.7 and the PPM topped out my Truncheon - it just flashed at the top level (1800.)

Two things make me question the results - since this is runoff from a peat based product, wouldnt you expect the ph to be high because it is going to cotain billions of tiny peat particles and same with the ppm - dont all those tiny pieces of peat go into the equation? So can you ever really get an accurate runoff measurement?

Here is a pic of the runoff jsut so you see what I mean.

It's been a while since I posted. Really, I don't even know if anyone's paying attention. I want to clarify that I am looking for help and advice as this is my first try.

Well, after fimming, some super cropping/lst, and numerous trials and tribulations I have taken cuttings from 6 of the girls and am ready to flower. I am waiting on some hps bulbs but I think i am going to get started with my mh because the led bars put out a lot of red light anyway. 420 - when i switch out the bulbs and clean the tubes that's when I'll take out some of that slack in the ducting (i think) but I might keep it for the flexability it affords me. Here are some pictures.

1-4 are the pure power freebie from G13. I love this plant, she is a little over a week younger than the others and stout.
5 & 6 are the two (totally different looking) alaskan ice. 3 shows a super cropping mistke - it doesnt seem to have affected the growth at the end of th branch at all.
the rest are Chocolopes with 9 & 10 showing the top and bottom of a leaf that looks chewed - but by what?? I cant find anything, I sprayed thm with zero tolerance at 50% last week. And have a hot shot strip in there from time to time.

One thing I am needing help on is how much to trim around the bottom. My nature doesnt want to hack off any branches that could take in light and co2 to help feed the plant but some of these huge fan leaves are dragging in the dirt. I have plucked those off but left the branches for now. Is that the right thing to do?? The last picture is an example of a low branch. That particular one is strong and reaches way out to grab light.

As usual, any advice is appreciated.

overmyhead said:

It's been a while since I posted. Really, I don't even know if anyone's paying attention. I want to clarify that I am looking for help and advice as this is my first try.

Well, after fimming, some super cropping/lst, and numerous trials and tribulations I have taken cuttings from 6 of the girls and am ready to flower. I am waiting on some hps bulbs but I think i am going to get started with my mh because the led bars put out a lot of red light anyway. 420 - when i switch out the bulbs and clean the tubes that's when I'll take out some of that slack in the ducting (i think) but I might keep it for the flexability it affords me. Here are some pictures.

1-4 are the pure power freebie from G13. I love this plant, she is a little over a week younger than the others and stout.
5 & 6 are the two (totally different looking) alaskan ice. 3 shows a super cropping mistke - it doesnt seem to have affected the growth at the end of th branch at all.
the rest are Chocolopes with 9 & 10 showing the top and bottom of a leaf that looks chewed - but by what?? I cant find anything, I sprayed thm with zero tolerance at 50% last week. And have a hot shot strip in there from time to time.

One thing I am needing help on is how much to trim around the bottom. My nature doesnt want to hack off any branches that could take in light and co2 to help feed the plant but some of these huge fan leaves are dragging in the dirt. I have plucked those off but left the branches for now. Is that the right thing to do?? The last picture is an example of a low branch. That particular one is strong and reaches way out to grab light.

As usual, any advice is appreciated.

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Looking good and following along so feel free to continue to update. Looks like you have the two pheno's on the ice that I have been reading about. One should finish first from what I have been reading. Some of the grows I have seen look amazing and other like total crap...no fault to the grower just the pheno they had.

As for trimming, I don't stick to any hard fast rule as I don't have to worry about pests at all. As long as they are getting decent light and there is good air flow around the base I leave them be.
+ rep....cant wait to see them finish up

Shipinit - thanks for the encouragement. I'm just freaking out because I don't really have anyone to come and look at things and help me out. I get some general gardening advice from the guy I got the led's from and that's it along with what I remember of others' grows back in the day. I think that I'm gonna start 12/12 tomorrow - I cant wait any more. What have you heard about the different AI phenos? The one with the short fat leaves has been a trooper so far - the other one was nice and stinky early (still is stinky) but had that MG deficiency when none of the other plants did. I was reluctant to even take a cut.

Just writing here but I just found a bag of beans that my brother had collected over the years and am pissed that I'm not trying them out. He had the opportunity to try a lot of really nice stuff and I'm sure there's a crazy story behind each one. Next go round I'll definitely be playing with some of those. This whole project is dedicated to his memory - even put some of his ashes in the mix. I miss him terribly and think that this is a tribute he would have wanted.

How is it that you've never had to worry about pests?

overmyhead said:

Shipinit - thanks for the encouragement. I'm just freaking out because I don't really have anyone to come and look at things and help me out. I get some general gardening advice from the guy I got the led's from and that's it along with what I remember of others' grows back in the day. I think that I'm gonna start 12/12 tomorrow - I cant wait any more. What have you heard about the different AI phenos? The one with the short fat leaves has been a trooper so far - the other one was nice and stinky early (still is stinky) but had that MG deficiency when none of the other plants did. I was reluctant to even take a cut.

Just writing here but I just found a bag of beans that my brother had collected over the years and am pissed that I'm not trying them out. He had the opportunity to try a lot of really nice stuff and I'm sure there's a crazy story behind each one. Next go round I'll definitely be playing with some of those. This whole project is dedicated to his memory - even put some of his ashes in the mix. I miss him terribly and think that this is a tribute he would have wanted.

How is it that you've never had to worry about pests?

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Pheno's- From what I have read and heard is there are 3 that are popping up. Indica dom, sativa dom and the pheno that it's supposed to be. A lot of the people that have been complaining about the Ice only planted a seed or two and ended up with lanky late flowering sativa pheno's. I have kinda prepared myself for that....even if I end up with a sativa dom pheno I will grow them to full size and term in my other grow space as it has 12 foot ceilings.
I plan on taking clones off all that show more of an indica dom and holding them back for the next run through the flower room with the other 5 seeds I have.

Great way to honor your brother, cannot think of a better way. If he was avid about his hobby you should definitely get some of those seeds in the ground next grow....most likely you will be rewarded....mystery for sure but it will still be rewarding.

Pests- A few years back when I was growing I had major bug problems.....clone I got was infested with aphids, got mites on another grow....always seemed to be a constant battle. Since then I have been methodical about everything in the grow room. Few things I do.....granted it may be overkill but I haven't had a single bug in over a year..... Always change my clothes before visiting my grow area. Never buy soil that has been stored outside or seems warm like it was stored outside. When I come across soil that has anything it's not supposed to it gets tossed. Keep my temps and humidity under control as well as more circulation than I probably need. I also try to keep my grow areas as clean as I possibly can. Last thing, which may or may not have had the biggest effect.....I now live in a loft in a commercial building....no yard or outdoor garden to bring in anything foreign.