Damn Global Warming....

[BigNBushy]

I just fail to see what the problem is with starving out the Africans by continued desertification of that continent would be... Less people on the planet with HIV.

Plus it would turn Siberia and northern Canada into usable land. There are tonnes of natural resources in these places that would be a lot easier to get to if they werent covered with ice and snow.

I live in Tennessee also, its a bitch of a drive to go to the beach. Florida is turning into a blue state anyway, the hell with it, let it flood.

 

[burgertime2010]

You do know that the entire earth was not covered in ice right? 1/3 - 1/2 North America will still be livable in the next ice age...

Yes, I am aware. "livable" at 3x the population density, agricultural collapse, continents reshaped, new islands, no fish......no thanks. If our reason for being is to cheat a self-fulfilling prophecy that extinction is imminent I can groove with that. In astronomical time our days are numbered.

 

[burgertime2010]

According to the "dimwits" on your side it's already too fucking late to save the planet.

So what have we got to lose by waiting and gathering more data if we (apparently) can't effect the outcome anyhow?

The framework for data is a stall, there is not a chance of the right to be wrong among themselves and/or admit to it. The wisdom behind caution will be smeared as left-science.....a term so unbelievably absurd it might catch on. Unfortunately, we are not stopping there. Science is the new religion of the left......the data is simply itself, and that scares many to the right that their bubble is popping.

 

[NoDrama]

I completely disagree with that premise. We absolutely can do something to affect it, it just takes a lot of different social changes, like education, to happen first.

It can all be fixed, everyone just has to stop using fossil fuels of any kind and reduce the population by at least 70%.

Be the change you want to see, sell your car and then off yourself.

 

[NoDrama]

and the more expensive it will be

The cost is nothing, the Government can just mint up a platinum coin to cover any and all expenditures, Just ask Krugman.

 

[burgertime2010]

It can all be fixed, everyone just has to stop using fossil fuels of any kind and reduce the population by at least 70%.

Be the change you want to see, sell your car and then off yourself.

It worked for Mammals 75,000,000 years ago when an asteroid killed 3/4 of the earth.......

 

[NoDrama]

It worked for Mammals 75,000,000 years ago when an asteroid killed 3/4 of the earth.......

See? Good times are just an asteroid strike away!

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Aaah, there it is, I knew that's what you were getting at.. Very dishonest of you, man..

Funny you choose to word it like that, when, according to your own numbers, less than 1% oppose AGW and 66% find the data inconclusive. So I think a more accurate statement would be 33% support it, >1% oppose it, and 66% are undecided.

Now why would you phrase it like that I wonder...


Also, the pollution example was used to demonstrate that human beings can have a dramatic effect on the environment, even in relatively short periods of time

You mean I included both no and inconclusive in one number? Oh how wrong of me to show you that in fact 97% of scientists agreeing on agw is a myth. It was phrased as such because it's reality. Are you now saying that cook et all is a bad paper? If so, you just destroyed your own thoughts on 97%.

The sun has more of an effect. Why just last week it was 80 here. The next day? 30's. It was 23 when I got up this morning. Once the sun gets up it'll be in the 40's. That's just a matter of hours. Pollution is bad. It is not the same as climate change.

I do believe in climate change. Our climate has changed several times throughout history and the climate will change many more times before the planet dies.

Honestly, my thing is: 97% of scientist agreeing on agw is a myth. The real number is 33%.


Edit: so where's my dishonesty? 66% say no or inconclusive. That's as honest as it gets.

 

[NLXSK1]

You mean I included both no and inconclusive in one number? Oh how wrong of me to show you that in fact 97% of scientists agreeing on agw is a myth. It was phrased as such because it's reality. Are you now saying that cook et all is a bad paper? If so, you just destroyed your own thoughts on 97%.

The sun has more of an effect. Why just last week it was 80 here. The next day? 30's. It was 23 when I got up this morning. Once the sun gets up it'll be in the 40's. That's just a matter of hours. Pollution is bad. It is not the same as climate change.

I do believe in climate change. Our climate has changed several times throughout history and the climate will change many more times before the planet dies.

Honestly, my thing is: 97% of scientist agreeing on agw is a myth. The real number is 33%.


Edit: so where's my dishonesty? 66% say no or inconclusive. That's as honest as it gets.

Science has never been proven by consensus anyway.

 

[burgertime2010]

Where do the majority of these scientists say the icecaps are off too?

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

One is growing and one is shrinking though it is 60% bigger over last year.

 

[burgertime2010]

One is growing and one is shrinking though it is 60% bigger over last year.

Growing? relative to last year? So, are they melting faster than they grow?

 

[see4]

Actually it's 97% of those who published a paper stating a position.

More papers actually say we need more data.

No. The only papers that say we need more data AND say Global Warming is a hoax are the only crock-pot pseudo-scientists you manage to listen to. ALL scientists will say they need more data, it's in their nature. But the vast majority's position, with the data they currently have, is that Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever name or label you want to put on it, is real.

 

[NLXSK1]

I am going to tell you all something that is going to shock some of you pseudo scientists...

The sun is 99.9999999999999% responsible for global warming. So, all we need to do is eliminate that and our problems are solved!

 

[NLXSK1]

No. The only papers that say we need more data AND say Global Warming is a hoax are the only crock-pot pseudo-scientists you manage to listen to. ALL scientists will say they need more data, it's in their nature. But the vast majority's position, with the data they currently have, is that Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever name or label you want to put on it, is real.

Everyone agrees climate change is real silly.... What we are arguing about is mans impact....

 

[burgertime2010]

I am going to tell you all something that is going to shock some of you pseudo scientists...

The sun is 99.9999999999999% responsible for global warming. So, all we need to do is eliminate that and our problems are solved!

Yet, you remain in the dark somehow.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I'm all in for global warming. If we can facilitate or accelerate that outcome by being all "humany", let's get to work. I'm doing my part people, I just bought a Ford Excursion. I hit a speedbump a little hard yesterday, well, actually it was a lib in a Prius. He's taking a dirt nap, I had to have a small scratch buffed out of my quarter panel. Darwin bitches!!!<throws up gang sign>.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Growing? relative to last year? So, are they melting faster than they grow?

Yes, growing relative to last year(last year was the worst ever). By about 60%.

What is your point? No one is saying climate change isn't happening, in fact it has been getting warmer for a long time now. Longer than the amount of records we have, and before the industrial revolution.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

No. The only papers that say we need more data AND say Global Warming is a hoax are the only crock-pot pseudo-scientists you manage to listen to. ALL scientists will say they need more data, it's in their nature. But the vast majority's position, with the data they currently have, is that Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever name or label you want to put on it, is real.

Im citing a paper written by people just like you. They believe the 97% stuff as well. Their own numbers don't back up the claim.

Edit: their own numbers claim ~8000 inconclusive positions. So are y'all discrediting your own people now?

 

[see4]

Im citing a paper written by people just like you. They believe the 97% stuff as well. Their own numbers don't back up the claim.

Edit: their own numbers claim ~8000 inconclusive positions. So are y'all discrediting your own people now?

Can you please provide links to all these papers from people just like me.